2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[jet job]

Nelson am I reading your post right? You want to replace the negotiation team? Just when solidarity it at a high point. I don't get your point of view.

 

[roabilly]

 
As stated earlier... it must be election time. One side got voted in on the promise of change. To this goal I believe many of the candidates, not all, have given their best effort. The Delaney Team is up against the same enemy the Canale Team faced. Airlines who want to squeeze cost savings out of the represented groups. You can can elect and change union leadership as many times as you wish but the agenda of the companies does not change. The other side of the equation is to change leadership again believing the outcome will be different. This idea is being proposed by the candidates running in opposition. Their idealogy is being submitted on this forum by TN. Tim spearheaded the uprising against the Canale team and not too long ago endorsed the Delaney team as the team that would bring about this change in direction. Fast forward to 2014 and now the Delaney team is the enemy and we should, once again, support and vote his newly endorsed team into office. Tim points out many failures of the current leadership team in his opinion. It has been duly noted. But in the end; no leadership team wins them all. Campaign promises are easy to make. It's another thing to fullfill them. Ask anyone on the current leadership team that Tim endorsed 6 years ago. Easy to talk the talk. Another thing to walk the walk. 

Cargo,
 
You are 1000% correct! Nelson has spent decades attempting to convince us that the Union is the enemy! It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what his true motive is!
 
As far as the current Leaders, you are correct; the vast majorities are hard working, intelligent, experienced, and sincere. They do not engage in mud slinging, and other devious measures to win elections... they are way too busy attempting to deal with the REAL enemy...
 
They are too busy walking the walk... to talk the talk!

 

[pjirish317]

Lets get some things clear here. First Tim has zero authority, even if elected, to replace anybody on the NC. That would be RD's decision. The people that tim has chosen to run with, that are US people, have been spoon fed a bunch of misinformation about being placed on the NC. Again, not up to Tim or the others who are running on the opposing ticket. It will be up to RD to decide what to do with the NC after the election plays out. And personally I hope that the UA for change ticket gets crushed. But it looks like the UA for change ticket is falling apart before voting even begins.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nelson am I reading your post right? You want to replace the negotiation team? Just when solidarity it at a high point. I don't get your point of view.

The negotiation committee, as far as I know, won't change, unless I'm missing something.  Most of them are not District officers.   But, absolutely, the AGC's and District officers directing that committee, who were also part of the 2008 negotiations flop,  most definitely already proved themselves worthless and the membership should be made aware that the majority of your US AIRWAYS candidates were from that 2008 POS agreement and already proved their worth. I think the membership is ready for change and that the membership will make the most of it. The membership will decide.
 
Most of our members see this union at the crossroads. It's hard for them to see where the union starts and management ends.  It shouldn't be that way.  June can't come quick enough!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Lets get some things clear here. First Tim has zero authority, even if elected, to replace anybody on the NC. That would be RD's decision. The people that tim has chosen to run with, that are US people, have been spoon fed a bunch of misinformation about being placed on the NC. Again, not up to Tim or the others who are running on the opposing ticket. It will be up to RD to decide what to do with the NC after the election plays out. And personally I hope that the UA for change ticket gets crushed. But it looks like the UA for change ticket is falling apart before voting even begins.

You sir, certainly wish that were the case but the U4C ticket is stronger today than even last week.  I can assure you one thing, nobody that recommended that 2008 POS contract will get my support.  You can blast your own coworkers at RDU, and Freedom, for listening to those who recommended that POS agreement all day, but you sir are a hypocrite if you vote for those US AIRWAYS candidates after blasting your own station and Freedom. 
 
You also are destructive to labor if you vote for one single United member on your boy's ticket.  You like saying that UA agreement sucked but then hope that all the United candidates who fought hard against that agreement lose. 
 
Again, I will ask you for a 5th time,  please tell me what your boys did the last 6 years other than completely destroy HAL and UAL, and bring back the POS 2008 US AIRWAYS agreement?  The audience wants to know. Thanks in advance.

 

[Tim Nelson]

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[pjirish317]

You sir, certainly wish that were the case but the U4C ticket is stronger today than even last week.  I can assure you one thing, nobody that recommended that 2008 POS contract will get my support.  You can blast your own coworkers at RDU, and Freedom, for listening to those who recommended that POS agreement all day, but you sir are a hypocrite if you vote for those US AIRWAYS candidates after blasting your own station and Freedom. 
 
You also are destructive to labor if you vote for one single United member on your boy's ticket.  You like saying that UA agreement sucked but then hope that all the United candidates who fought hard against that agreement lose. 
 
Again, I will ask you for a 5th time,  please tell me what your boys did the last 6 years other than completely destroy HAL and UAL, and bring back the POS 2008 US AIRWAYS agreement?  The audience wants to know. Thanks in advance.

Ok I'll bite. How exactly am I destructive to labor and you sir are not? I do not believe in the UA candidates on the opposing ticket, plain and simple as that. Nor do I have faith in Artie or Carl for US, and ZERO confidence in you, your agenda is strictly Tim's and not for the membership. You sir are destructive for US fleet if you want us to vote for two clowns that have NEVER written a grievance, been involved in any of the grievance process at any level, and are just "likeable" guys. How is that not destructive to us? The UA people were edcuated on the ramifications of the agreement, and grabbed the cash. It's just that simple. Just like what happened here in 2005. And don't think it wont happen again, the hubs will sell out each and every outstation. People like to wear rose colored glasses with this, but the truth is, if enough money was thrown the hubs way, the class 2 cities are gone.
 
As for HAL and UA, "my boys" as you call them, had nothing to do with those negotiations, NOTHING. So how did "my boys" destroy HAL and UA?

 

[wings396]

All of this bickering back and forth, and not a single peep about what's been going on with the NC since the 30th? What gives here, is this a good sign that some real negotiations are finally taking place?

 

[VAflyGal]

Hi all.  Will someone please provide me with the name and email address or phone number of your IAM president?  I have a petition about the parking shuttles and employee lots that is going to the mayor and city council and I want to reach out to IAM to share it and hopefully get support.  Thanks in advance. 

 

[P. REZ]

Negotiations Update,
 
No Contract was reached this week but the NMB is meeting with the Company and IAM again on May 6th and 7th. Stay tuned for an update after next week and stay strong. 
 
P. Rez

 

[mike33]

Negotiations Update,
 
No Contract was reached this week but the NMB is meeting with the Company and IAM again on May 6th and 7th. Stay tuned for an update after next week and stay strong. 
 
P. Rez

my suggestion is to not hunt for to many answers and wait till next meeting. At least it's not every 2 months like some always hammer. Narrowing meetings down to 1 week is a good sign I'm my opinion. Good if you think you may get a release or good if progress has been made regarding a fair CBA

 

[Tim Nelson]

my suggestion is to not hunt for to many answers and wait till next meeting. At least it's not every 2 months like some always hammer. Narrowing meetings down to 1 week is a good sign I'm my opinion. Good if you think you may get a release or good if progress has been made regarding a fair CBA

1. Any talk of a release is done now
2. I dont believe you will be happy with the type of progress reported.

Maybe our friend wikileaks will provide the details.

 

[mike33]

Of course you have nothing to lose by saying that. Seems to you next weeks meeting is a moot point then huh? The NMB include you on their group text?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Of course you have nothing to lose by saying that. Seems to you next weeks meeting is a moot point then huh? The NMB include you on their group text?

i hope there is alot more progress next week sir. Time will tell. But the membership needs to be informed of the proposal very very soon regardless.

 

[mike33]

1. Any talk of a release is done now
2. I dont believe you will be happy with the type of progress reported.

Maybe our friend wikileaks will provide the details.

 
               This Quote of yours says basically we might as well forget about any release and there  is no movement !
 

i hope there is alot more progress next week sir. Time will tell. But the membership needs to be informed of the proposal very very soon regardless.

          Yet you say you are hoping for progress ?  You lose me sometimes but thats ok. 
 
 This is all about Solidarity and i think you need to get this group more in-tune with that. I believe there is movement but not sure how much. I don't think you call more meetings within a week if there wasn't.  I think you should be invited to the chairmans conference if you are not the station chair. There is such a thing as being invited  you know.  I don't think anyone in this union is unapproachable really ! At this point it's all about solidarity. Well i should back track and say maybe you may get elected and go anyway. 
  If that were not the case, would you accept an invite to go?