2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

United
Rich actually flew in from negotiations yesterday morning at the same time MF and myself returned. Rich was going to our union meeting but wanted to brief some breakrooms with is before we went. We did tell some people we were coming back, but the union meeting went very long, then there were a couple of small group meetings with Delaney and UA employees and US employees. By the time those finished, his flight was at 5. I know it wasn't much time, wish it was more, but at least several of day shift heard from him. Going to try and get him back soon for another visit. Not making excuses for the man, but I don't know any president that's been in office has had the things take place that this guy has. As far as Glass. Not saying we're playing chess with him. Just saying that he has came in, he is doing the talking and negotiating now instead of Al, and so far, things are progressing pretty good.

We agree on one thing, I know of no other president who had the thing take place on his watch.  A complete blowup at HAL and UAL.  And weak guys like you roll right over and endorse that agreement.  BTW, what made you think that Russo would support you?    And how many times has Delaney come to CLT over 6 years not within a 30 day election window?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well Timmie,
 
Your team got spanked:
 

I wished them the best and I think they did a great job in the first election this union has had for INTL in quite a while. I think all members should commend them for running against a column of power that really does nothing other than try to isolate or alienate anyone not with the establishment.  I think they should consider making some adjustments by incorporating TCU members and refocus on maybe another Boeing candidate, imo.  I wish them the best in the future as well.
 
Whatever the case, I'm sure reform will continue to build unless the International officers have learned from this and stop acting like dicks. Eventually there really won't be any elections if the IAM keeps dying. 

 

[700UW]

Gee it seems you arent honest again, I thought you had me on ignore.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Gee it seems you arent honest again, I thought you had me on ignore.

I do. Give yourself some credit, every so often you say something that is interesting to me.

 

[charlie Brown]

We agree on one thing, I know of no other president who had the thing take place on his watch.  A complete blowup at HAL and UAL.  And weak guys like you roll right over and endorse that agreement.  BTW, what made you think that Russo would support you?    And how many times has Delaney come to CLT over 6 years not within a 30 day election window?

Why do you keep bringing Russo up?? I don't care if he supports me. Why don't you let Russo handle Russos problems if he has any. You don't need to be his daddy. Unless you feel he is unable to handle it. And why do you care if Delaney comes in? Not worried about clt are you?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why do you keep bringing Russo up?? I don't care if he supports me. Why don't you let Russo handle Russos problems if he has any. You don't need to be his daddy. Unless you feel he is unable to handle it. And why do you care if Delaney comes in? Not worried about clt are you?

Well, that's a shame if you don't care if one of your own committee persons doesn't support you. 
 
Any update at the meeting from Delaney on how the stand alone talks against vendors are doing for our brothers and sisters from United on A Con?  Did he say the wage bargaining may be $15 or doesn't he know yet?  Did he mention that two more waves of 15 stations closings [30 more in total], losing deicing in DEN, and ORD is shaking out now?   I think the total from your endorsed contract is now up to 45 stations.  Your endorsement may set a new record of destroying careers.  Shameful that you endorsed that because as you said selfishly, "I would expect them to endorse our negotiation team".  One hand pats the other.  Just terrible.
 
Nah, I'm not worried about CLT, or any election, win or lose.  I do care though.  The entire membership will speak and that's good enough for me.   I was just making a point.  Disappointing that CLT's 6 year support of Delaney hasn't meant him going into the breakrooms one time prior to this election window.   Also,  maybe he could have arranged something later than 5pm.

 

[robbedagain]

Got email from union shop steward that roach n buffenburger won the election. Not sure en who all won it

 

[Tim Nelson]

One thing that separates the candidates with certainty is that I can say that no way would I ever endorse a contract that has "Cindy dates" and leaves other stations without enhanced scope when a company is not in bankruptcy as a union has leverage.  But NONE of the candidates, including Charlie Brown can say that he won't.....because he did.  At United, Charlie Brown decided to endorse a POS ramp contract and leave most stations out to dry.  That doesn't mean folks believe me when I say I won't, but listen to me now and you will at least believe me later when it happens.  Never ever would it enter my mind to endorse a ridiculous POS contract but Charlie did it because "Well, hell I would hope they would do it for me."   Charlie Brown's 'endorsement' is destroying jobs at United and he doesn't even have the decency to answer questions about updating the membership on the additional 30 stations and DEN or ORD Deicing that is also now on the chopping block...never mind the 15 stations that Charlies endorsement already damaged, including CLT.   Charlie, any update on the CLT Stand alone talks at United?  Which vender are they trying to outbid for?

 

[Tim Nelson]

1. Over the past 6 years, has any member received a closeout letter from his AGC regarding his/her grievance?
2.  Over the past 6 years, has any Local Chairperson received a copy of the system quarterly grievance report?
 
I know when I was a Local Chairman, that Canale at least did give us quarterlies.  Has Delaney even did one?  Charlie Brown, at the Local Chairpersons conference, can you see to it that your boys finally put together a quarterly for the local chairpersons so they can take it back to the members?  You might want to remind your boys to follow the bylaws below,
 
 
Section 6. It shall be the responsibility of all Assistant General Chairmen to write close-out letters of all grievances that have been withdrawn, to Local Lodge Grievance Committee, Grievant and President/Directing General Chair.
Section 7. It shall be the responsibility of the President/Directing General Chairman to send to all Local Lodges Grievance Committee Chairmen a quarterly report from their respective agreement on all Third and Fourth Step grievances. The President/Directing General Chairman will send to all the Local Lodge Committee Chairmen within 30 days of receipt, copies of all System Board decisions.
 

 

[Tim Nelson]

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why do you keep bringing Russo up?? I don't care if he supports me. Why don't you let Russo handle Russos problems if he has any. You don't need to be his daddy. Unless you feel he is unable to handle it. And why do you care if Delaney comes in? Not worried about clt are you?

What interest me is how does one endorse a POS ramp contract?

 

[Tim Nelson]

cricket

 

[charlie Brown]

Well, that's a shame if you don't care if one of your own committee persons doesn't support you. 
 
Any update at the meeting from Delaney on how the stand alone talks against vendors are doing for our brothers and sisters from United on A Con?  Did he say the wage bargaining may be $15 or doesn't he know yet?  Did he mention that two more waves of 15 stations closings [30 more in total], losing deicing in DEN, and ORD is shaking out now?   I think the total from your endorsed contract is now up to 45 stations.  Your endorsement may set a new record of destroying careers.  Shameful that you endorsed that because as you said selfishly, "I would expect them to endorse our negotiation team".  One hand pats the other.  Just terrible.
 
Nah, I'm not worried about CLT, or any election, win or lose.  I do care though.  The entire membership will speak and that's good enough for me.   I was just making a point.  Disappointing that CLT's 6 year support of Delaney hasn't meant him going into the breakrooms one time prior to this election window.   Also,  maybe he could have arranged something later than 5pm.

Tim
Don't say you care about the US people. Talk is cheap. Your screwing the US people just to get a position. If you cared about the US side of things, then you would be running US people against US people. But on your ticket you are running UA people for two US spots because you think it's gonna help you get elected. And that's the only problem I have with Russo supporting you, or any US member for that matter. Your trying to take two US board positions away from the US side and give it to UA side. Just to get you elected. And NO US airways person should support that. Especially a grievance committee guy that says he's there for the membership. People's actions show whether they care or not. Not their words. Your talk is cheap to me!! Selling the US side out for a position is not the actions of caring. And IMO should not be supported by any US member. But of course just like your few supporters that you have on the US side. Not any of you when you talk to the US members will tell them that you support dropping two US spots. In fact your boy that supports you here, says since the members don't know it. Then it's ok to screw them. Seems like you support that also, since you won't tell anyone about. Keep talking about our ticket Tim, so people won't have to focus on yours and what your doing to them.

 

[charlie Brown]

In Fact lets talk about Tim's US side of his ticket. There are 3 US people running for AGC. Tim is by far the most experienced. How much experience do you have Tim doing AGC type of work?? How many cases at step 3 have you done? How many cases have you ever mediated? How many cases have you ever arbitrated? How many airline contracts have you ever negotiated? You should tell the members at US, that you plan on all your US boys doing " on the job training" including you. We are still digging ourselfs out of the mess from 2008 when you put people in place and thought that " on the job training " was the way to go. Now you want people to repeat the scenario all over again, when you yourself admits it was a mistake. Your playing with the membership Tim, just to get a position. A AGC has some serious responsibilities, it shouldn't be given to people that needs " on the job training". And yes your guy in PHL and PHX maybe nice guys!! No argument!! But if they care about the members instead of a position, then they should get some decent experience under their belt before running for such an important position. But yeah your right!!!!!! You care about the US members!!!! What a joke!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
Don't say you care about the US people. Talk is cheap. Your screwing the US people just to get a position. If you cared about the US side of things, then you would be running US people against US people. But on your ticket you are running UA people for two US spots because you think it's gonna help you get elected. And that's the only problem I have with Russo supporting you, or any US member for that matter. Your trying to take two US board positions away from the US side and give it to UA side. Just to get you elected. And NO US airways person should support that. Especially a grievance committee guy that says he's there for the membership. People's actions show whether they care or not. Not their words. Your talk is cheap to me!! Selling the US side out for a position is not the actions of caring. And IMO should not be supported by any US member. But of course just like your few supporters that you have on the US side. Not any of you when you talk to the US members will tell them that you support dropping two US spots. In fact your boy that supports you here, says since the members don't know it. Then it's ok to screw them. Seems like you support that also, since you won't tell anyone about. Keep talking about our ticket Tim, so people won't have to focus on yours and what your doing to them.

Your version of things is incorrect sir.  In fact, the truth is entirely opposite.
 
I believe that Lindell is simply a much better candidate than you.  He just got accepted into Law school and is also a Local President.  I think it will be beneficial to the executive board to have someone who doesn't have to be trained how to read more than 5 words in a contract.
But, yes, I do support him over a US AIRWAYS candidate that endorsed a POS United contract.  Integrity is everything with me.  And BTW, supporting him over you [from a hub] cost me votes for sure, so I'm not sure where you get your math from. 
He is from tiny MSP and how many votes is that?  40 at most?  Not supporting you cost me votes Mark so get your facts straight.  But our membership needs candidates with integrity, unlike you and others who thought it was cute to endorse a POS united agreement.   At any rate, instead of pissing and moaning about your own position, maybe look in the mirror as it is fairly obvious that you haven't learned from endorsing that POS united agreement. 
 
Again, any update from Delaney about those new 30 stations going to get whacked?  ORD and DEN deicing that you endorsed that we would lose?  You are quick to endorse such things because "You expect them to endorse your contract" but very slow to give us an update on the damage and destruction to the familes YOU have caused already.  update us please?