2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[P. REZ]

Getting desperate Pat? Listening to 700 and continuing lies is quite silly. I never filed any cards for fleet service EVER.  I did file cards for US AIRWAYS ticket cunter but they were unrepresented and there was no other union that intervened. 
If you look at the NMB records, the only union that filed cards short and got in the way of another union was the IAM in 1998 when they actually filed cards for Upstairs to block the CWA but the CWA intervened and had enough support to stay on the ballot.  Something that 700 and the IAM failed to do.
 
At  AirTran, when I started the campaign, part of the strategy was to file the cards to secure list so we knew what the group consisted of and where they all were and to establish legal groundwork for eliminating certain work groups. That filing accomplished all of those things and was quite successful when you see how my team won that campaign, the first by the IAM in decades.  We actually organized AirTran in record timing and did so with a $267,000 budget.  Damn straight I'm proud of that team!  Well, um, actually, Delaney was quite proud of the organizing team as well, and he mentioned them by name,  Kindly review the messenger magazine spring 2011.  I provided an attached link to the official IAM webpage here: http://iam141.org/archives/032911.html#1
 
Hopefully, the link will still work and you guys will not remove it.  As it shows the historical account of my work and the work of my team, as told by Rich Delaney.
 
Both Delaney and Atkinson praised the campaign and you can reference your messenger 'spring 2011' edition to see the thanks myself and the team received from Delaney.  Atkinson texted me "Thanks, this will help us at United as well".  Kindly review the Atlanta Constitution and you might find my comments or my key Atlanta organizer  

Tim,
 
Desperate No, you can call me and my team an f up all day long but you are a proven f up with your organizing debacles. That's all you have and you f up them. Tell the truth about Airtran, you won that campaign only after the merger with SW was announced. Anybody could have won under those circumstances.
 
You know I organized the TWU in at AW? The guy before me, just like you, filed short causing a bloodbath at AW. Then, I stepped in and did my part to successfully win in 98. 
 
P. Rez   

 

[P. REZ]

Prez, did you catch that.  Delaney is proud of me and my team. Here it is again buddy, http://iam141.org/archives/032911.html#1
 
Hopefully Lehive [bluto] leaves the link up.
 
Delaney thanks my success and teamwork!  This should squash all the lies of Prez.

I'm sure Delaney said nice things about MC at one time too. Doesn't allow you to use at a later point if you f up.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Desperate No, you can call me and my team an f up all day long but you are a proven f up with your organizing debacles. That's all you have and you f up them. Tell the truth about Airtran, you won that campaign only after the merger with SW was announced. Anybody could have won under those circumstances.
 
You know I organized the TWU in at AW? The guy before me, just like you, filed short causing a bloodbath at AW. Then, I stepped in and did my part to successfully win in 98. 
 
P. Rez   

Well, if I'm a F up because I win organizing campaigns then I'll take that as a compliment.  But your account of it wasn't the same account of things by Delaney.  The last two days you have been suggesting that somehow I'm not a team player or can't operate under team concepts. I merely let you BURY your ignorance before I showed you how Delaney praised me in our own magazine. I could show you all the text messages as well where they thanked me a 1,000 times  Delaney's own words were,
 
"District 141 thanks all of the AirTran volunteers and organizers for their hard work on behalf of their fellow employees. As District Lodge 141 Director of Organizing, Tim Nelson, said, “They all believed in one thing – each other”.
We thank Tim and his Organizing Team – Rick Russo, Gene Beatty, Bill Kline, Joe Stassi, and Fran Paci – for their dedication to the idea that working together can overcome all obstacles. Through the many ups and downs of this campaign they all remained committed and confident that our AirTran brothers and sisters not only needed a union but wanted the IAM. The grassroots campaign they developed was based on personal contact and involvement and the success of the election shows that people talking with each other can fight back against anti-union professionals.
We especially thank General Vice President Robert Roach for his support and belief in our Team. He listened to us and always looked out for the best interests of the AirTran employees.
Congratulations to our newest members and Welcome Home!
Rich Delaney"
 
Pat, you and Delaney may try to rewrite history, but the above can't be denied.  Delaney himself praised my dedication to working together as a team.  Get your facts straight!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Desperate No, you can call me and my team an f up all day long but you are a proven f up with your organizing debacles. That's all you have and you f up them. Tell the truth about Airtran, you won that campaign only after the merger with SW was announced. Anybody could have won under those circumstances.
 
You know I organized the TWU in at AW? The guy before me, just like you, filed short causing a bloodbath at AW. Then, I stepped in and did my part to successfully win in 98. 
 
P. Rez   

You are done Pat.  And PHL will be made fully aware of how you dimed them out when the IAM was representing the PHL22. You dimed out our brothers at a time and wouldn't shut your mouth due to personal gain.  The statements you made will be shown.  Bank on it 100%!   I"m sure Gill and the other US AIRWAYS candidates will have some explaining to do as well by supporting you.  I'm not even sure why CLT would support you once it is shown in CLT.  Baskett may have some explaining as well.
 When a brother's job is on the line, worst thing you can do is dime them out.   What you did was wrong but PHL will decide that.  You should have understood the concept of "Teamwork" before diming out workers, instead you went the other way to try to secure more time for the TWU raid against the IAM.

 

[P. REZ]

Well, if I'm a F up because I win organizing campaigns then I'll take that as a compliment.  But your account of it wasn't the same account of things by Delaney.  The last two days you have been suggesting that somehow I'm not a team player or can't operate under team concepts. I merely let you BURY your ignorance before I showed you how Delaney praised me in our own magazine. I could show you all the text messages as well where they thanked me a 1,000 times  Delaney's own words were,
 
"District 141 thanks all of the AirTran volunteers and organizers for their hard work on behalf of their fellow employees. As District Lodge 141 Director of Organizing, Tim Nelson, said, “They all believed in one thing – each other”.
We thank Tim and his Organizing Team – Rick Russo, Gene Beatty, Bill Kline, Joe Stassi, and Fran Paci – for their dedication to the idea that working together can overcome all obstacles. Through the many ups and downs of this campaign they all remained committed and confident that our AirTran brothers and sisters not only needed a union but wanted the IAM. The grassroots campaign they developed was based on personal contact and involvement and the success of the election shows that people talking with each other can fight back against anti-union professionals.
We especially thank General Vice President Robert Roach for his support and belief in our Team. He listened to us and always looked out for the best interests of the AirTran employees.
Congratulations to our newest members and Welcome Home!
Rich Delaney"
 
Pat, you and Delaney may try to rewrite history, but the above can't be denied.  Delaney himself praised my dedication to working together as a team.  Get your facts straight!

Tim,
 
Did I hit a sore spot? I'm sorry, you are a great man and a top notch organizer, just ask you, right? NOT, you f up organizing at Airtran and then only won after SW announced merger. I call it like I see it.
 
P. Rez  

 

[P. REZ]

You are done Pat.  And PHL will be made fully aware of how you dimed them out when the IAM was representing the PHL22. You dimed out our brothers at a time and wouldn't shut your mouth due to personal gain.  The statements you made will be shown.  Bank on it!   I"m sure Gill and the other US AIRWAYS candidates will have some explaining to do as well by supporting you.   When a brother's job is on the line, worst thing you can do is dime them out.   What you did was wrong but PHL will decide that.  You should have understood the concept of "Teamwork" before diming out workers, instead you went the other way to try to secure more time for the TWU raid against the IAM.

Tim,
 
Now that sounds desperate bro, chill, you can call me and my team f ups all day, but f ups you made are off limits? Turn about is fair play. 
 
P. Rez  

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Did I hit a sore spot? I'm sorry, you are a great man and a top notch organizer, just ask you, right? NOT, you f up organizing at Airtran and then only won after SW announced merger. I call it like I see it.
 
P. Rez  

Huh, no just ask Delaney,
 
"District 141 thanks all of the AirTran volunteers and organizers for their hard work on behalf of their fellow employees. As District Lodge 141 Director of Organizing, Tim Nelson, said, “They all believed in one thing – each other”.
We thank Tim and his Organizing Team – Rick Russo, Gene Beatty, Bill Kline, Joe Stassi, and Fran Paci – for their dedication to the idea that working together can overcome all obstacles
 
It's always better for me to just step aside and allow Delaney himself to praise me. http://iam141.org/archives/032911.html#1

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Now that sounds desperate bro, chill, you can call me and my team f ups all day, but f ups you made are off limits? Turn about is fair play. 
 
P. Rez  

Well, let's see if it sounds desperate to members in PHL and CLT when it comes out.  I may be wrong, but I don't personally think any US AIRWAYS member will think it was in good taste for you to dime out brothers. 

 

[P. REZ]

Well, let's see if it sounds desperate to members in PHL and CLT when it comes out.  I may be wrong, but I don't personally think any US AIRWAYS member will think it was in good taste for you to dime out brothers. 

Tim,
 
It is desperate, try getting some facts first. You afraid I'm doing my job?  
 
P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
It is desperate, try getting some facts first. You afraid I'm doing my job?  
 
P. Rez

I truly wish you were Pat. 
 
At any rate, it really isn't for me to say about your comments, I was just merely adding my opinion and I do think that PHL and CLT won't see anything desperate about it.  I saw the document Pat and it stands on its own. No bull ****, just your own words.  Personally, I think PHL will not only be pissed off at you but wonder what the hell Gill is doing supporting you.  Folks got fired Pat, and you jumped right in on the other side because all you could think about was your TWU raid against the IAM.  Again, it really isn't for me to say, so let's see what PHL and CLT think.

 

[WeAAsles]

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) today announced it filed an application with the National Mediation Board (NMB) to conduct a representation election for fleet service employees at Spirit Airlines.
 
“Today we took the first step toward gaining power and respect on the job,” said Spirit ramp agent Mauricio Oviedo-Falcon from Fort Lauderdale. “The time is now for all ramp agents at Spirit to unite in solidarity and demand the same respect that unionized flight attendants and pilots at Spirit have.”

http://www.iam141.org/

 

[Tim Nelson]

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) today announced it filed an application with the National Mediation Board (NMB) to conduct a representation election for fleet service employees at Spirit Airlines.
 
“Today we took the first step toward gaining power and respect on the job,” said Spirit ramp agent Mauricio Oviedo-Falcon from Fort Lauderdale. “The time is now for all ramp agents at Spirit to unite in solidarity and demand the same respect that unionized flight attendants and pilots at Spirit have.”

http://www.iam141.org/

Spirit is an airline that is going to triple in size over the next two years. 

 

[700UW]

I have a question; can someone serve as a Union Officer if he/she has a past history of Duel Unionism?
 
700... do you know how this works?

He had to have paid his fines to become a member in good standing again.
 
He was tried and convicted of dual unionism, removed from office , pay fines and would be barred for a period of time to run for office.
 
Im not sure where he was tried, but the local that did it would have a copy of the trial report and penalties.
 
If I remember correctly it was done at 1487 in Chicago.
 
You can contact them and ask for a copy of the report.
 
http://www.ll1487.org/
 
http://www.ll1487.org/#!contact/cpjh
 
I know the LL President tried to reinstate him as Grievance Chairman and the District sent a letter to US to inform them he is not the Chairman and was removed from office.

 

[700UW]

Prez, did you catch that.  Delaney is proud of me and my team. Here it is again buddy, http://iam141.org/archives/032911.html#1
 
Hopefully Lehive [bluto] leaves the link up.
 
Delaney thanks my success and teamwork!  This should squash all the lies of Prez.

They we so proud of you when you bought A-Cards signings with gift cards, when you filed short at AirTran and when you went on a cruise instead of sticking around during the UA vote and tally.
 
Especially proud of you when you demanded AGC pay and you were fired.

 

[700UW]

You are done Pat.  And PHL will be made fully aware of how you dimed them out when the IAM was representing the PHL22. You dimed out our brothers at a time and wouldn't shut your mouth due to personal gain.  The statements you made will be shown.  Bank on it 100%!   I"m sure Gill and the other US AIRWAYS candidates will have some explaining to do as well by supporting you.  I'm not even sure why CLT would support you once it is shown in CLT.  Baskett may have some explaining as well.
 When a brother's job is on the line, worst thing you can do is dime them out.   What you did was wrong but PHL will decide that.  You should have understood the concept of "Teamwork" before diming out workers, instead you went the other way to try to secure more time for the TWU raid against the IAM.

Dimed them out?
 
The police were called by the  TWU members who were attacked by Armedio and his boys.
 
The were fired and charged with assault.
 
You cant defend their actions and because you do, you dont deserve anyone's vote.
 
He didnt dime anyone out, the police, witnesses and the victims pressed charges, not P.REZ.
 
Keep up the lies Timothy.
 
http://articles.philly.com/2006-02-10/business/25408447_1_baggage-handlers-union-organizers-twu
 


 

Police are investigating the beating of five union organizers, and whether the attack was carried out by two dozen members of a union that wants to represent the same US Airways workers.
 
Two men were treated at Methodist Hospital after the attack Wednesday morning at the Philadelphia Airport Marriott hotel. Bottles and chairs were thrown during the attack against organizers from the Transport Workers Union, said Capt. Michael Sinclair of the Southwest Detective Division.
 
"There has not been violence on this scale in air labor affairs for close to 50 years," James Little, acting TWU president, said in a statement. "Wednesday's attack is a throwback to an era that should have been closed long ago."
 
Little called for a federal investigation and demanded that IAM and US Airways fire anyone involved. (Tim you are lying again!)
 
They figured on some tough talk, he said, but no violence. On Wednesday morning, according to Little and the organizer, local IAM officials entered their conference room near the lobby and warned them to get out of town. Then a mob entered the room and started throwing punches - and chairs, tables and glasses - they said.
 
"All five TWU organizers were injured, two suffering serious eye injuries. While the beatings continued, TWU organizing files were stolen by the perpetrators," Little said in a statement.
 
The organizers tried to escape into the catering corridor behind the conference rooms, but were pursued, the organizer said. Eventually, an alarm was sounded when they tried to open another door, and hotel security arrived.
 
Hotel security video cameras caught some of the participants on tape, and police, the organizers, and US Airways officials were working to identify the assailants, the organizer said. Police said no arrests have been made.


 

And the attacked members sued and won:
 
http://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/111619np.pdf
 
A whole thread on it:
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/31247-the-philly-twenty-two/
 
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/jobs/INQ_JobbingBlogBygones-be-bygones-union-style.html
 

Robert Boland, then the president of IAM Local 1776, had a dozen union members take off from their airport duties on Feb. 8. According to court documents, they gathered at the Jazz & Java coffee shop at the airport and strolled over to the Marriott, entering through a breezeway. When they got there, Boland and two other union officials went into the conference room the TWU rented and delivered an expletive-laced message: "We own ... Philadelphia, this is our ... city and you guys are to get out," the documents said, quoting Boland. "We're going to go to breakfast and we're going to be gone for about half an hour, and when we come back you guys had better be cleared out... I can't be held responsible for what these men outside are about to do." 
 
Thirty minutes became about 30 seconds. A mob, about a dozen, entered the room and started throwing glasses and chairs. Fists flew next, court documents said.
 
The fight spread into the hotel's service corridors, with IAM members chasing TWU organizers who tried to flee the fracas. Police came. Arrests were made, 22 in all.
 
Over the years, two parallel cases made their way through the courts. Some of the men, including Boland, wound up being charged criminally in Philadelphia with aggravated assault, terroristic threats, conspiracy and simple assault. Ultimately, the charges were downgraded with those who remained in the case pleading guilty to simple assault. The men, including Boland, were sentenced to probation. After the incident, Boland was fired from US Airways, but remained president of Local 1776, although he isn't president now.
 
The TWU organizers, some of whom were badly injured, sued the men individually as well as Local 1776, plus the IAM in federal court in Philadelphia.  Eventually, the number of defendants in the case narrowed to Local 1176 and seven men, including Boland, and Anthony Armideo, also spelled Armedio. He had moved up in union ranks around the time of the incident.
 
On Oct. 24, 2010, a jury "returned a verdict for Plaintiffs and against Defendants," awarding the organizers a total of $811,993. Since then, there have been a variety of motions on both sides, but the basic result stands. 
 
That's the story: Hard to imagine that these two unions are now singing a duet!
 

Funny I dont see P Rez mentioned anywhere