2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

No I don't. Not from a personal email. So feel free to call me " full blown".

Got it!

 

[Tim Nelson]

 Sorry tim, i didn't see that on the IAM141.Org website to classify it as a miss use of organizational information. Wasn't it in a personal email?????? I think maybe you are spinning again. 
 
  I think you should be called the master of deception because thats what you do best and many i talk to see thru that.

Mike33,
I won LMRDA rights before in a federal case against INTL attorneys who got fired the day I won,  so you should give me more credit.  Personal email addresses have nothing to do with it. If that was the case, then labor officials can just send everything with personal email addresses and get away with it.   They can't.  It makes no difference if he briefs our members with his own email address, an IAM one, or some other outlet.  Fact is that most of our union leaders, even in the INTL don't really understand the labor laws. And he attained that email list by virtue of his position.  In it, he is even asking for more emails.  It's 100% a violation but I'm focused on June.
 
Even when he goes into breakrooms giving grievance or negotiation updates, he isn't suppose to be doing electioneering in the same environment. 
 
My point in all of this wasn't to give Charlie Brown a cliff notes version of what he can do and what he can't do, but rather for him to be more sensitive and considerate.

 

[700UW]

You didn't win the case, the IAM entered a voluntary agreement with the DOL.

Lies and deciet that's all you know.

 

[charlie Brown]

Got it!

Got it!

I'll tell you what I will do though just to be fair since you say I have offended some Dca people. On this weeks briefing I will put a statement in there explaining this is a personal email that can be about anything pertaining to fleet service and not just a negotiations update. ( even though I have already explained this to them). And if I have offended anyone, they can let me know and I will gladly take them off the email briefing. I'll be glad to come back on here and let you and everyone else know just how many people request to be taken off. Is that fair??

 

[Tim Nelson]

You didn't win the case, the IAM entered a voluntary agreement with the DOL. Lies and deciet that's all you know.

Yes, although forcing an agreement outside the IAM was never my first intent.  Only after the International failed to uphold the rights of the members to have the reasonable choice of nominations did I have to go outside the INTL and argue against the INTL attorneys.  Difficult indeed.

 

[cltrat]

I could care less about all this political bs I just want a TA I can feel good about voting for but I fear that's not going to happen

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'll tell you what I will do though just to be fair since you say I have offended some Dca people. On this weeks briefing I will put a statement in there explaining this is a personal email that can be about anything pertaining to fleet service and not just a negotiations update. ( even though I have already explained this to them). And if I have offended anyone, they can let me know and I will gladly take them off the email briefing. I'll be glad to come back on here and let you and everyone else know just how many people request to be taken off. Is that fair??

You don't understand.  You will just be piling it on higher and deeper on yourself potentially.
 
You collected those email addresses by virtue of your position and have used that email blast for negotiation updates.  You have no right to use it for electioneering.  You have been notified. 

Carry on

 

[Tim Nelson]

I could care less about all this political bs I just want a TA I can feel good about voting for but I fear that's not going to happen

Presently, Charlie Brown thinks you are worth less than AMR bankrupt wages, except at sometime in 2015 when you 'catch up'. Scope is not expanding either so I'm at a loss as to why $22 is acceptable???? 
 
All their Bull **** is the exact same play at United, i.e., telling folks that there is a helluva lot of progress, etc.   It's time for them to put up or shut up. Because me thinks their 6 years of nothingness is about to come to a close.

 

[BLUTO]

DEELANY WILL
FIRE NIELSONS
ASS AGAIN IF HEZ
EVR ELECTED CUZ
HE IS A F-UP!

 

[Tim Nelson]

DEELANY WILL
FIRE NIELSONS
ASS AGAIN IF HEZ
EVR ELECTED CUZ
HE IS A F-UP!

lol.  He's done.  He ruined our craft enough.  I tried to be nice to Canale and told him to leave with dignity and collect his IAM watch as he retires. I think Mr Delaney ought to consider the same thing and think about his family, etc.  Unfortunately, for half his team, his past actions against the members, and the team he helped to create against him, won't fair to well in June imo.  Time will tell but I think it's time for the bull shitters to be shown the door.  6 years of nothingness other than blowing up this craft and Vegas parties is enough.

 

[charlie Brown]

Presently, Charlie Brown thinks you are worth less than AMR bankrupt wages, except at sometime in 2015 when you 'catch up'. Scope is not expanding either so I'm at a loss as to why $22 is acceptable???? 
 
All their Bull #### is the exact same play at United, i.e., telling folks that there is a helluva lot of progress, etc.   It's time for them to put up or shut up. Because me thinks their 6 years of nothingness is about to come to a close.

Your wrong again!! Check your facts. AA wages at 22+ aren't bankruptcy wages. Their bankrupt wages was 21 and change. They didn't get 22. 53 until they exited bankruptcy. But go ahead and continue to spin.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'll tell you what I will do though just to be fair since you say I have offended some Dca people. On this weeks briefing I will put a statement in there explaining this is a personal email that can be about anything pertaining to fleet service and not just a negotiations update. ( even though I have already explained this to them). And if I have offended anyone, they can let me know and I will gladly take them off the email briefing. I'll be glad to come back on here and let you and everyone else know just how many people request to be taken off. Is that fair??

I'll tell you what also,  your team hasn't done squat with nothing to show in 6 years. Don't get me wrong, you blew smoke up everyone's ass for about 6 months claiming to take folks out on strike
 

Your wrong again!! Check your facts. AA wages at 22+ aren't bankruptcy wages. Their bankrupt wages was 21 and change. They didn't get 22. 53 until they exited bankruptcy. But go ahead and continue to spin.

It's a bankrupt contract.  $22 blows.  Bring it out and lose all the rest of whatever credibility you have. All you guys have done is bull crap everyone.   Cripes, by not getting scope enhanced and agreeing to $22, what the hell were you going to take us on strike for? Peanuts? 
 
What the hell have you guys been doing.  Sheesh!

 

[charlie Brown]

You don't understand.  You will just be piling it on higher and deeper on yourself potentially.
 
You collected those email addresses by virtue of your position and have used that email blast for negotiation updates.  You have no right to use it for electioneering.  You have been notified. 

Carry on

I have used those emails to update issues about local management also. I use them for anything that I feel is relevant to fleet service. I think an election coming up In June is very relevant to fleet.
Don't you? I'm really tying to get along here by offering to take all your supporters off if I have offended them. I'll even let you know how many request to be taken off. Don't worry, I won't use any names of your supporters. But I think the fleet members need to know, that your ticket supports taking 4 currents members of the negotiating team off. And also 2 us positions off the board. That is going to effect fleet for many years to come if that happens. But again, anyone that supports that and is offended by my briefing, I'll be glad to remove them.

 

[charlie Brown]

I'll tell you what also,  your team hasn't done squat with nothing to show in 6 years. Don't get me wrong, you blew smoke up everyone's ass for about 6 months claiming to take folks out on strike
 

It's a bankrupt contract.  $22 blows.  Bring it out and lose all the rest of whatever credibility you have. All you guys have done is bull crap everyone.   Cripes, by not getting scope enhanced and agreeing to $22, what the hell were you going to take us on strike for? Peanuts? 
 
What the hell have you guys been doing.  Sheesh!

Well your finally about 50% correct. Congratulations!!! It is a bankrupt contract except for the wages. The wages were enhanced to 22.53 once they exited bankruptcy.

 

[Jester]

Tim,
 
You are back, care to reply as to why you are our savior in joint talks but can't negotiate 5 US members on your ticket? I'm sure the US members would like to know why you couldn't get 5 US people on your ticket or are you selling US members out by only putting 3 US members on your ticket?
 
P. Rez 

 
I know I am going to start a whole new rash of "Jester is really Tim" comments, but maybe I am missing something... given United FSAs are a much larger group than US, and I understand both groups will be voting in the same election, does anyone realistically think any US 5 candidate ticket would sweep the election for the 5 open positions?  Am I missing something or are my assumptions wrong? 
 
It seems like a politically savy move to recognize a US sweep to be highly unlikely given the numbers, and to obtain a simple majority would be huge victory, especially if its leader (Tim) so strongly desires to be elected.  In many ways, it is very much like a coalition government formed as found through most of the democratic governments around the world.  In this case we have the United candidates, correct?  We have IAM Rising (are they all US candidates?) and we have Tim's mixed group?  Is that the dynamics or are their other parties, as I am not in-tune with all the politcal groupings.  This deal making are all part of the political process in democratic government outside of the duopoly environment of the American system.  To simply say, it is "selling out" the US members suggest we ignore the reality of the UA voters who are a sizable majority of the electorate.  Maybe we need to change the rules as to who can vote in what elections, but that's not the situation of this coming election.
 
Also I agree with Tim... updates with hefty doses of campaigning should be avoided, even though I can understand the temptation.  Might I suggest a better approach would be urge the members to be invovled in the election process as part of the solidarity and to consider carefully the candidates and their qualifications (implication being that Charlie Brown is genius and Tim sucks).