2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

Have to go get some work done on my car.

TT Yall L people.

 

[rockit2]

Skill set? You have zero experience in contract negotiations, you are an ego maniac, do you actually believe what you type?

AND mf DOES????????????????????????

 

[roabilly]

 
U SEEM 2 RLLY LIK
WHUT BLUTO POSTS
 
Josh

Apparently, you do too, since you have adopted his writing style, in addition to that, you answer EVERY post that mentions “DOOSH”! If you are not who he says you are, why respond to him? Anytime Bluto questions any of Nelson’s posts, you immediately jump in to rescue Nelson... do you think these readers are stupid?
 
Why don’t you guys start your own website or something? I’m sure it would get lots of laughs! 

 

[700UW]

 
Didn't P. Rez have a cushy position with the TWU before the merger with America West?  Wasn't there a run off between IAM/TWU in circa 2006/07?
 
Josh

Why must you make it about everyone else instead of Tim?
 
And P. Rez organized the TWU at HP when he was on the ramp and they were non-union, he didnt have a cushy job with the TWU, he was the Local Lodge President for PHX and the TWU.

 

[700UW]

 
TWU is far from perfect but the IAM structure to me is very suspect when you have many high paying officials who are family members of current IP and GVPs (to say nothing of other positions in the GL or DLs for that matter) who have never worked a day in an IAM shop.  I mean why does Andy Buffenbarger have to stay around slurping $200k+ with a position created by his Daddy?  What does he contribute?  From what I have seen and read elsewhere it seems all he does is party.  The IAM leaders like to be pampered, have all the latest gadgets, indulge themselves at luxury hotels and expensive dinner, too cool to fly commercial.  Of course most here turn a blind eye to it, if I were paying $700+/year for their "representation" I'd be upset.  They aren't getting money for their dollar. The IAM is a considerably weaker position today than they were 5 or 10 years ago, they have fewer members, less cash on hand and overall are in a weaker position, as is much of organized labor today. 
 
Josh

 
 

 
Too bad the TWU didn't prevail, they would have done a much better job.  We can hope the membership rejects that alliance and TWU represents fleet, AMFA for MX.
 
Josh

 
 

OK so you made your point on ONE thing you feel the TWU has done. While your on a roll and have everybody's attention can you please tell us the other accomplishments the TWU has done for our profession? Here is a list. Please tell us how well the TWU has done on these with the same enthusiasm.
 
1) Two Tier pay scale
2) Two Tier vacation scale
3) Five paid vacation days
4) Reduced Vacation multiplier
5) Elimination of double time O/T
6) Ten days of IOD pay
7) Elimination of retirement Prefunding
8) Elimination of Penalty hour
9) Frozen Pensions
10) Reduction in Shift Premiums
11) Elimination of Longevity pay
12) Elimination of meal allowance
13) Removal of Cap on Flex benefits
14) Transfer lockout from 6 months to 1 year
15) New Line qual test (virtually impossible to pass)
16) Elimination of Profit Sharing
 
This should be enough to keep you busy. I am sure others can add to the list in a timely manner. Please take my request seriously. We all want to know how these items have benefited the AMT at AA with the same enthusiasm you have about the ASAP program.
 
Thank you and good luck.

 

[737823]

Explain why Andy Buffy, Sito's brother, etc have jobs at the IAM, they have never worked a day in an IAM shop.
 
Josh

 

[700UW]

 
Too bad the TWU didn't prevail, they would have done a much better job.  We can hope the membership rejects that alliance and TWU represents fleet, AMFA for MX.
 
Josh

Who is we?
 
Freduian slip?
 
Why would a so called JP Morgan employee care about the TWU, the IAM, AFMA and US?
 
People think, there is more to the story than appears.

 

[700UW]

 
You are FSC, the AA AMTs overwhelmingly support AMFA.  If given the choice IAM, TWU, or Association, TWU would be the way to go.  The IAM has destroyed your craft at Hawaiian and United, tons of outsourcing loop holes in the current US CBA.  I mean TWU protected 17 stations in bankruptcy, IAM could only protect seven stations outside of bankruptcy when they had leverage in joint negotiations. Pathetic, anyway you look at it.
 
Josh

This is about US Airways Fleet Service, not AMFA,  not Hawaiian and not United.

 

[700UW]

P. Rez, too bad the TWU didn't stay around, things would be much better compared to the IAM.  Didn't mean to come across as an attack, but 700 keeps attacking Tim.
 
Josh

Attacking tim?

Thats a joke, what I posted is what Tim's did, thats the fact.
 
Funny why would a JP Morgan employee with no "vested" interest keep defending tim and lying about things?
 
Think people, think.
 
You really have a bromance going dont you?

 

[Tim Nelson]

now isnt the time for you talking smack about twu and i wouldnt be surprised if u r amfa front man to sabatoge the twu for the iam.

 

[700UW]

Now thats funny.
 
Your obsessed JP Morgan employee posted about AMFA, and I posted what a TWU represented mechanic thinks about what they have done to them.
 
I wouldnt be surprised if you are on Ford and Harrison's payroll and the NTRW (for less) Committee helped you with your protests with the DOL against the IAM.
 
You are Gerry and Al's boy.
 
Better go spend time with Joshie, he misses you.

 

[WeAAsles]

Now thats funny.
 
Your obsessed JP Morgan employee posted about AMFA, and I posted what a TWU represented mechanic thinks about what they have done to them.
 
I wouldnt be surprised if you are on Ford and Harrison's payroll and the NTRW (for less) Committee helped you with your protests with the DOL against the IAM.
 
You are Gerry and Al's boy.
 
Better go spend time with Joshie, he misses you.

I have to agree that I don't like it when you post any items against my union as I don't do that with yours. I can't think of any "major" airline union that has really done well in the last 15 years in this industry. Due to no fault of their own. Comparing apples to oranges is unfair when they've all been rotten.

But to clarify one thing for you 700. Not taking into account any giveback or BK items. The TWU negotiators are our Local Presidents. They answer to their membership. They take surveys among the membership for levels of importance in bargaining negotiations. After which it is up to the membership to decide if a TA passes or not. They are right there at their local podium to answer to those members if what was brought back was not acceptable and they also suffer the consequences in most cases.

It's very easy for that poster to come back after the fact and claim that the decision of the MEMBERS was lacking. The TWU and for that matter IAM leaders do not vote in a contract. That decision rests squarely on the membership's shoulders.

 

[Tim Nelson]

AND mf DOES????????????????????????

Fairbanks imo was the most pro management agc ever and charlie brown worships him. Funny story is that mf screwed over charlie brown who was begging for an agc job when mike told delaney that rezler was needed on the ballot in 2012 because fairbanks said he had clt.

After charlie complained a second time, they finally agreed he can slot in gills agc spot since gill is suppose to get a glr spot win or lose.
i wish charlie the best as long as we arent stuck with him or others who lack knowledge about labor. Nothing against charlie but he simply isnt as qualified against a law school candidate who comprehends contractual language and has a bigger vocabulary than ten words. No brainer.

 

[700UW]

So what about the 2003 concessions that were imposed?
 
And it wasnt a slight to you, it was a response to Josh, who for someone reasons has a hard on for the IAM and US.
 
What happened in Chapter 11 to the mechanics are facts, and they got a worse deal than we did in both our chapter 11 cases.

 

[737823]

Remember when Robert Roach said the membership was "confused" about concessions after they rejected it?  He hasn't worked under a concessionary agreement, his pay keeps getting fatter.
 
Josh