2014 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

By the way, the NMB has already sent their first response back to the APA and the RUMOR is, no more negotiations until APA is the single representative.  

 
I think APA said no negotiations until the NMB makes a determination. 
 

NMB File No CR-7110 -Docket Letter- AA-APA-USAPA - 21 JAN 2014.pdf‎

 

[Beancounter]

 
I think they said no negotiations unti the NMB makes a determination. 

That makes more sense.
 
Bean

 

[Beancounter]

Oh, yeah.  We'll get out of the way.  But you're still tied to the tracks!

Pssssst.  In your all your excitement you tied both your feet to the tracks.
 

 
Bean

 

[flyer63]

This place stinks of hypocrisy and beer. Meanwhile, the debate goes on outside your little party. Outside of the bar, I don't see much sympathy for Usapians. Just disgust.
So....it's OK to place East furloughees ahead of West pilots who had a job in 2005, yet worry about being placed below AA furloughs. Try telling a West pilot furloughed after the merger only to see East furloughees return to the property he held a lottery ticket. Since when was a lottery ticket a pinkslip?
How convenient....If I were AA, I would not trust an Usapian by no means. They are as sick as they come.
Meanwhile, the debate rages on in cyberspace:
The Drizzle
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 310
We will be sold, if at all possible, to get back the lost years of those before us. With USAPAs deft skills I imagine I'll wind up below AA furloughs who had less time on property than I do at US.
SilverandSore
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: FO
I've pretty much expected that, my personal theory is that USAPA and APA want to give furlough credits to each other to put both of them further up the list in regards to the west (Phx) guys. A little pat on the back and boom son, there you are!
ShyGuy
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: A Bus Driver
Posts: 2,980
You should ask USAPA that question. Funny how this argument is being used now that it's AA and US. Back when the same thing in reverse was true for US Airways (carrier with pilot layoffs and carrier bankrupt twice) versus working for a carrier making a little money and moving up the seniority list (AWA).... well the Nic was "unfair"
ShyGuy
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: A Bus Driver
Posts: 2,980
The irony is rich here. Same could be said for AWA guys back in 2005, with their quick movement and upgrades versus US Airway's junior late '80s DOH Captains. Nicolau slotted them accordingly. How'd that work out? Nic slotted some 2000+ DOH AWA guys with US guys hired in the early 90s. US East screamed bloody murder and rejected the Nic, threw out ALPA, and voted in USAPA to keep Nic off property. Now you want a favorable slotting against AA?
Now that the table is turned, it's ironic to hear the change in tune that was the basis for establishing USAPA and kicking out the Nic award. Before the arbitrator looks at that he's going to be scratching his head when you present a East list and a West list. Career expectation cuts both ways. One could argue LOA93 would have continued until enough East retired to bring the numbers of AWA+US-newhires to outnumber original East. Maybe then they could have voted out USAPA.
morecowbell
New Hire
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 3
You've got to be kidding me. I'm not sure who you are or what gear your pulling, but that was why the Arbitrator came up with the NIC like he did. USAIR was dead....days from DEAD. NO CAREER EXPECTATIONS. SCUMBAGS. Yet all those east that were furloughed eventually got to come back while the "west stagnated and actually furloughed west pilots. So I hope to god your not a 3rd lister....
eaglefly
Hysterical with worry
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Face forward/Sphincter shut
Posts: 3,671
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingairip
You insult USAPA, as you like to do (they're an easy target after all), but what he's arguing for is exactly what got USAPA so hissed off. (Stapled furloughs, that is...among other things, of course.) So, I fixed it for you...no charge!
My statement wasn't about what ONE arbitration provided, but about whether what he's demanding is standard in ALL. It isn't. The Usapian leadership demanded a lot more than that one issue though, they wanted it ALL. They refused to negotiate off their gauntlet of demands and arrogantly expected an arbitrator to reward their intransigence.
They were wrong. No matter........on USAPA there's always a way and an opportunity to renig on what you agreed to and it's happening all over again with APA and the MOU. The Usapians have scooted back to USAPA in their saucers and are hard at work as we speak attempting to creatively reinterpret the MOU USAPA-style.
I'm sure when they scoot back down to Earth to file their request for injunction with the court, it will be a hoot to read the specifics. In the mean time, we should keep a watchful eye to the starry night sky looking for the tell-tale glow of their saucers so we can get warning of when that will occur.

Cut the garbage cut and paste. We all know how to get to the other site if we cared to

 

[traderjake]

And yet you cut and paste the whole post.

 

[Freighterguynow]

They are and you're standing on them. 
 
Bean

Are the railroad tracks close to the bar ?

 

[Black Swan]

Remember the west cry of putting of putting a east F/O ahead of a west captain? Now you have east 2013 hires as captains. They should be senior to all west F/Os , by your own reasoning.

This is all going to be very interesting going forward. I would imagine Leonidas never envisioned a supposed final and binding arbitration that took place 7 yrs ago turning into a new representative election, not being any of the latter. Then going into a merger, with the East going into massive hiring and attrition.
And I am hearing the next bid looks even larger in scope.
That phrase " ALL THE RISK LIES WITH THE WEST" comes to mind.

 

[snapthis]

Your group wanted to screw us until the cows came home. So sorry I dont feel any sympathy.

Cut the garbage cut and paste. We all know how to get to the other site if we cared to

Pssst....DOHlt

Number one...you get no sympathy from West pilots for trying to screw us.

Two...how about directions to the other side. Got to it.

 

[snapthis]

Pssssst.  In your all your excitement you tied both your feet to the tracks.
 

 
Bean

There is justice in the world when it comes to DOHlts and insurgents.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HZ-bN1e2DU

 

[nycbusdriver]

Pssst....DOHlt

Number one...you get no sympathy from West pilots for trying to screw us.

Two...how about directions to the other side. Got to it.

 
Never asked for any sympathy from the westicles.
 
Now it boils down to our fear that you will all leave the forum and cut short the entertainment.  We've been laughing at you for 7 years now, and it has become habit.  I will miss your online dog-and-pony shows.

 

[snapthis]

 
Never asked for any sympathy from the westicles.
 
Now it boils down to our fear that you will all leave the forum and cut short the entertainment.  We've been laughing at you for 7 years now, and it has become habit.  I will miss your online dog-and-pony shows.

 
I'll miss the representation.

 
 
Job well done, DOHlts, job well done. 

 

[Claxon]

Never asked for any sympathy from the westicles.
 
Now it boils down to our fear that you will all leave the forum and cut short the entertainment.  We've been laughing at you for 7 years now, and it has become habit.  I will miss your online dog-and-pony shows.

Just remember, they can run but they can never, ever hide. Cap'n Aux has left a veritable treasure trove of Internet Trash Talk that can be pulled up. Mark Doyal has left his prints, Tony Anger is always available. We can bring them up and play them like Three Stooges reruns. Only no residuals to pay. Best of all, Black Top Pests is always ready for a quick play.
The American boys love that one and the grade school timeline of the Nicolau Experiment. They find it quite startling that some active, non furloughed east pilots are placed behind people who were at the time in grade school. Smart move not backing off that one Ferguson. Your shiny new hire lawyer lost you a lot of $$$$$

 

[Claxon]

It is hard to believe that the west pilots allowed their leader to be ferguson.  He was in new hire ground school when the merger took place.  He only had his best interests in mind the whole time. He wanted to be a real major, respected airline pilot overnight.  It well never happen for him or others that fell for it, they will always be former west pilots.
 
Did you west pilots not sense this watching his videos?  Look at koontz, he looks weird.  No sympathy from me.
 
http://www.fergusonforpresident.com/index-7.html

It is this easy..........

 

[Claxon]

For the technologically challenged viewers.  The america west pilot, eric ferguson November 2003 hire, videos setting you East pilots straight. 
 
IE: Educating you, he is smarter than you, he knows better, he is much smarter than you......................
 
http://www.youtube.com/user/FergusonKoontz2012?feature=watch

 

[Phoenix]

Pssst....DOHlt
Number one...you get no sympathy from West pilots for trying to screw us.
Two...how about directions to the other side. Got to it.

We greatly miss those sympathies that you are withholding. Perhaps we will be able to make do by consoling ourselves with the new bids and the new payrates. We'll give it a good try.