2014 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

All you brought was a bankrupt airline about to file chapter 7. Do we really have to go there? No, didn't think so.
Remember, since your dark days in 2005 it was the addition of one hub to your money losing network which has allowed the combined US Airways to prosper- one hub. It's on the west. Growing. Yes, the addition of that one hub has turned around your career- I think you owe the proper respect towards your gift bearers. Really, otherwise you sound so "eastholish".

Eastholish.....
Greed, corruption and denial are the traits.

 

[Phoenix]

Relative position kills the jr west pilot, but is great for the sr west pilot. I know a better way, and it is good for the sr and the jr pilot.  

 
 
I would love to see the impact of relative position now.  It would be great to see our "3rd listers" be senior to the junior pilots who fueled the whole AOL profit machine for Ferggie and Koontz.  .... the main donators begin junior to "3rd listers" would be karma.  

 

[snapthis]

I would love to see the impact of relative position now.  It would be great to see our "3rd listers" be senior to the junior pilots who fueled the whole AOL profit machine for Ferggie and Koontz.  .... the main donators begin junior to "3rd listers" would be karma.

Even better Karma would to see a third lister get those seats and have you return to your relative furloughed position back in 2005.

He he....

 

[Claxon]

Eastholish.....
Greed, corruption and denial are the traits.

The Ferguson and Koontz Betrayal. Wye River, St. Louis, Texas. Texas with Cleary trying with George Mitchell no less. Ferguson said No to negotiations.
The phrase- PIGS GET FED, HOGS GET SLAUGHTERED comes to mind.

 

[Claxon]

Eastholish.....
Greed, corruption and denial are the traits.

Tell that to Joe Monda. He got the last laugh. Put him with a new hire with 17 yrs. nice try.

 

[Claxon]

Even better Karma would to see a third lister get those seats and have you return to your relative furloughed position back in 2005.
He he....

2005. That date has absolutely zero significance.

 

[snapthis]

2005. That date has absolutely zero significance.

I thought you only came out a night.

Starting early?

 

[nycbusdriver]

I would say Cleary did a great job positioning the east pilots. Eric? Not so much.
 

 
I disagree.  I think Eric has done a GREAT job "positioning the east pilots."  

 

[Freighterguynow]

 
 
I would love to see the impact of relative position now.  It would be great to see our "3rd listers" be senior to the junior pilots who fueled the whole AOL profit machine for Ferggie and Koontz.  .... the main donators begin junior to "3rd listers" would be karma.

 
 
By summer the third listers ( and flat out newhires ) will outnumber the entire West members in good standing list.
 
Next bid, they should really start grasping the magnitude of West marginalisation.
 
Here's a start - per Parker and Kirby on the Town Hall and Inverstor Conference calls respectively - No joint bids and no cross crew basing ( a la United/Continental ) of any kind until a joint certificate.
 
2 years West bubba's
 
2 Years.

 

[nycbusdriver]

You wish, you little weasel.  I think you are in for a big surprise and I can't wait to witness your meltdown.  As for continuing to call us scabs, go for it.  Everyone knows that the true scab mentality lies in the hearts of those who welch on their agreements simply because they didn't get their way.  You're nothing but a bunch of punks and your house of cards is falling down around you.  I know you can't handle that and will enjoy watching you squirm.

 
 
Oooo.....oooooo.....oooooo....PLEEEEEEZE!  Can we get a Prechil countdown clock for your big surprise?  I love to listen to it tick and then ring.
 
Sadly, nothing ever happens after that.

 

[nycbusdriver]

What is an USAir list?
 
"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American will assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots."
 
Nobody is going touch it.

 
Judge Silver did not RULE any such thing.  Read the ORDER, and notice that she did not include that tidbit.  She did say it, but she probably said she would order in a shrimp burrito for lunch, too.  The order for the burrito, like your tidbit, has equal federal standing.

 

[nycbusdriver]

FOUND on the internet............Subj: brake release

Dear CLT REPS:

A big shout out and muchias gracias to our brothers in the Southern Hemisphere for telling the troops about how we are getting cheated daily by not putting in the delay codes like our fellow AA pilots.

That email should have gone out on December 9, 2013 about 30 seconds after they signed the POR.

Just mentioned this to several pilots in the crew room at PHL and they all felt that Doug would probably try to drop this out of the next contract via the JCBA. We must all tell our reps the delay codes must stay and the language should be clarified and made stronger.

We are the only employee group at AA ; besides the flight attendants, who are required to be on the job at our flight station and NOT BE PAID until we move, unlike the Native Americans.
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Also we need to address what the definition of what "in" is. At AA it is both engines zero oil pressure, the main cabin door open, brakes set AND beacon off. You need 4 things to trigger an "in" time.

Our aircraft are still wired to show the in time when one cargo door opens (sometimes even before you come to a stop at the gate). All aircraft must be wired the same to show the correct out and in time.

Also do you all know that if a crew meal is not provided you can purchase a meal at the next stop and submit the receipt for reimbursement per the MOU.

Last point is the auto parking systems in MIA, DFW and ORD. These are they same as our self parking units we have in CLT and the ones you see in Europe. But the one's American uses also have a motion sensor. The AA pilots have been fighting this for years. For the self parking gates at the hubs the unit decides when you start and stop REGARDLESS of what the aircraft does.

When it send an incorrect time it is a big fight with the chief pilot to get the correct time entered.

Self parking is fine, but the option that decides movement or no movement which triggers out and in times MUST BE DISABLED per the JCBA.

 
 
We should be paid when we are performing required duties.  Period.  That would start the clock one hour (90 minutes international for legacy US crews) and stop it 15 minutes after shutdown (usually) for pilots, and after the last passenger leaves the airplane for flight attendants.  
 
On through flights, pilot clock should start 45 minutes prior to depart time, and F/As 10 minutes prior to start of boarding.
 
Why, oh why, won't we demand to be paid while we are working?  Period.

 

[Beancounter]

 
 
By summer the third listers ( and flat out newhires ) will outnumber the entire West members in good standing list.
 
Next bid, they should really start grasping the magnitude of West marginalisation.
 
Here's a start - per Parker and Kirby on the Town Hall and Inverstor Conference calls respectively - No joint bids and no cross crew basing ( a la United/Continental ) of any kind until a joint certificate.
 
2 years West bubba's
 
2 Years.

You and Phoenix sound desperate and scared.  What's up, I thought you guys had this all figured out, you won didn't you?  It's almost like you want something from us, although I'm not sure what you expect us to do.  The process is pretty much out of our hands and will play itself out soon enough.
 
By the way, what was all the talk about Dave, of save Dave fame, getting to be a 767 FO, because of all the newhires?  I just heard he's already back out west.  Why would he come back west if it was such a great deal out east?  Just wonderin'.
 
Bean 

 

[snapthis]

You and Phoenix sound desperate and scared.  What's up, I thought you guys had this all figured out, you won didn't you?  It's almost like you want something from us, although I'm not sure what you expect us to do.  The process is pretty much out of our hands and will play itself out soon enough.
 
By the way, what was all the talk about Dave, of save Dave fame, getting to be a 767 FO, because of all the newhires?  I just heard he's already back out west.  Why would he come back west if it was such a great deal out east?  Just wonderin'.
 
Bean

Dave is back alright and senior to Dean.

 

[prechilill]

You and Phoenix sound desperate and scared.  What's up, I thought you guys had this all figured out, you won didn't you?  It's almost like you want something from us, although I'm not sure what you expect us to do.  The process is pretty much out of our hands and will play itself out soon enough.
 
By the way, what was all the talk about Dave, of save Dave fame, getting to be a 767 FO, because of all the newhires?  I just heard he's already back out west.  Why would he come back west if it was such a great deal out east?  Just wonderin'.
 
Bean

No real revelations here, it always was about screwing the west- "Date of Hire" was just window dressing for the eastholes... No meaning behind it at all. Now, we have a growing list of new hires who see how much Date of Hire screws them and true to eastholr form, their situational ethics kick in again. And that's how they roll in life. One little problem for them, it's called the APA and a man named Nicolau.
Yes, the eastholes are getting nervous. Hysteria setting in...
APA by April?