2014 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

Yes, we should punish those that were furloughed, they deserve it! 

 
It makes more sense furloughing West pilots who had jobs prior to the acquistion.View attachment 9966
 
No more B&H taking care of their friends.
 
I think your East buddies have recently been replaced by AA management.
 
Times are a changin.

 

[EastUS1]

I think your East buddies have recently been replaced by AA management.
 
Times are a changin.

 
 "I have always depended on the kindness of strangers." Blanch Dubois/Streetcar Named Desire.
 
Do let us know how that works out for you Blanche. 😉

 

[snapthis]

 
Sigh! "planet Usapia"? Seriously? Very well. Enjoy what remaining time "sparta" has to exist within Fantasyland. Life events (far more serious than any of this nonsense) may well someday, eventually force "you'se" into at least some semblance of adulthood. Meanwhile, just enjoy your childhood.
 
I give you AWA's "heroic spartan army". 🙂
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlLKreue20w

 
Please, please be one of those "negotiators" sitting on the other side of the table from the folks of the APA.
 
Bring Claxon and Luv with you, for amusement only.
 
They'll be impressed with your superiority and senility.
 

 

[EastUS1]

 
Please, please be one of those "negotiators" sitting on the other side of the table from the folks of the APA.
 
Bring Claxon and Luv with you.
 
They'll be impressed with your superiority and senility.
 

 
No need. Were I wishing to truly "impress" them with such mighty foes as they faced on the PHX side alone, I'd simply offer them the following link, after which they'd unquestionably be left groveling, devastated, and properly begging for terms...or at least shouting Make it Stop!!! 😉  http://www.youtube.com/user/InternetTrashTalk
 
Thanks for returning this place to it's proper role as a comedy club Blanche. 🙂

 

[cltrat]

Please, please be one of those "negotiators" sitting on the other side of the table from the folks of the APA.
 
Bring Claxon and Luv with you, for amusement only.
 
They'll be impressed with your superiority and senility.
 

probably as impressed as a west suggestion to put a guy ahead of one with 17 more years will be seen.

 

[snapthis]

probably as impressed as a west suggestion to put a guy ahead of one with 17 more years will be seen.

A pilot who brought a job to the merger goes above those who were not actively flying at the time of the acquisition.

Isn't that how the arbitration went?

You and the DOH crowd are just going to have to accept the changes that are a coming.

Remember to check in early 😉

 

[EastUS1]

A pilot who brought a job to the merger goes above those who were not actively flying at the time of the acquisition.
 

 
Are you the least bit serious here Blanche?....Really?  Well...No worries for "you'se" then! I'm certain the APA, despite their long-furloughed, will immediately embrace all "spartans" as long lost brothers and sisters! Heck! There's no possible doubt they'll want to see them thrown under all of "you'se"!...Should they at all hesitate, well, just threaten to sue, and properly cow them with the history of great AOL legal victories, and tell them what's what and who's really WHO here!
 
"You'se" are killin' me here. I've got to take a break, before I laugh myself outta' my chair. 😉

 

[Phoenix]

A Story About a Lawyer that went to Heaven:
 
An attorney passed on and found himself in Heaven, but not at all happy with his accommodations. He complained to St. Peter,
who told him that his only recourse was to appeal his assignment. The attorney immediately advised that he intended to appeal,
but was then told that he would be waiting at least three years before his appeal could be heard. The attorney protested that a
three-year wait was unconscionable, but his words fell on deaf ears. The lawyer was then approached by the devil, who told
him that he would be able to arrange an appeal to be heard in a few days, if the attorney was willing to change venue to Hell.
When the attorney asked why appeals could be heard so much sooner in Hell, he was told, "We have all of the judges."

 

[snapthis]

 
Are you the least bit serious here?....Really?  No worries for "you'se" then! I'm certain the APA, despite their furloughed, will immediately embrace all "spartans" as long lost brothers and sisters! Heck! There's no possible doubt they'll want to see them thrown under all of "you'se"!..."You'se" are killin' me here. I've got to take a break, before I laugh myself outta' my chair. 😉

 
It's been a fun afternoon.
 
OK...Enjoy the rest of your evening. B)

 

[Claxon]

By summer the third listers ( and flat out newhires ) will outnumber the entire West members in good standing list.
 
Next bid, they should really start grasping the magnitude of West marginalisation.
 
Here's a start - per Parker and Kirby on the Town Hall and Inverstor Conference calls respectively - No joint bids and no cross crew basing ( a la United/Continental ) of any kind until a joint certificate.
 
2 years West bubba's
 
2 Years.

Every day the west marginalization process continues. They are now referred to as a disgruntled, greedy group looking to jump the line. The new hires just shake their heads, and take the upgrades. The only interaction the new people have is seeing an occasional america west jet pass in and out of east hubs, life support for PHX. It has come to that.
They know separate ops is good ops. Ops where the west chose to isolate itself and deprive the east pilots of pay parity.
Now the west is deprived, isolated. The east in massive growth and hiring. Leonidas chose that path.

 

[EastUS1]

 
It's been a fun afternoon.
 
OK...Enjoy the rest of your evening. B)

 
To you as well snap. Whatever else is true; we'll yet be but merely people, and hopefully, Lord Willing, still enjoying life long after all of this nonsense settles. 🙂

 

[traderjake]

Definitely not desperate.  

 
Yet you can't stop yourself from trying to persaude the West to quit fighting.

 

[nevergiveup]

A pilot who brought a job to the merger goes above those who were not actively flying at the time of the acquisition.

Isn't that how the arbitration went?

You and the DOH crowd are just going to have to accept the changes that are a coming.

Remember to check in early 😉

How many were furloughed on Dec. 9th?

 

[Pi brat]

Maybe the use of the words, "desperate and scared," is a little much, but I'm getting some contradictions here.  Things are terrible on the west, but Dave comes back.  A friend on the east said recently, that if we give up the Nic, the west will get a sweet deal.  Give up the Nic?  The east guys on here are saying we gave it up with the MOU??  I am seriously confused.  Besides, there's a bigger question.  How do I give up something that isn't mine?  I don't own it, it was an arbitration award.  If anyone owns it, it's the US group as a whole and the last time I checked we/west were pretty united in our opinion of neutral arbitration.  Are Phoenix and Freighter trying to convince us to give up the Nic or are they trying to convince us that DOH is good?  Friends at AA have said that some east pilots have really been laying it on thick, trying to tell them how great DOH is for everyone. 
 
Maybe I shouldn't even bother trying to figure out their ulterior motives, if indeed they have them. 
 
Bean

From Judge Silver's ruling I seem to remember that she said the fact that the west voted overwhelmingly for the MOU didn't matter. So, I guess you didn't give up the Nic.
 
The complaint, as framed by her was that USAPA gave it up, it didn't carry it forward with the MOU. And she found that the union had a legitimate union purpose for doing that. She said one of the reasons she couldn't rule in your favor was that there was nothing to compare the Nic with, and there never would be.
 
So to me it sounded like the union abandoned the Nic and they didn't fail their DFR doing so.
 
I recently flew with a former west F/O. It was before the Silver decision and he was torn about whether to return west. He didn't want to, but he was afraid that if he didn't he would lose his Nic # if it were used. If he did return and the Nic wasn't used then he was better off east. As it turned out, the company decided to give them the same recall rights as AA, so he deferred recall and stayed east. He gets to benefit from our attrition and can pick which seniority # he uses, after the SLI with AA. I think he made the right choice and I'm glad for him. Good guy.

 

[luvthe9]

Found on the internet....... Sure sounds like Munn and Traitor...We all know of an east pilot here that has his own forum and that constantly writes and supports the west efforts to take our seniority. No single east pilot has done more to enflame the west with his letters of support. The fact is, he has invested a great deal of time, energy and destroyed his reputation because he is so consistently wrong about almost everything! Every time the west loses in court, he trumpets 'Leonidas' and their attorney's opinions that "next time we will get them."

People often ask me what is wrong with this particular pilot and not being a psychiatrist, I couldn't really say. Everybody has their opinions. But some enlightened person came up with an explanation that could easily be written about him in particular and fits him like a glove.

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Subject: Re: Troll


The Psychopathological Troll

The psychopathological troll is motivated to participate in an internet forum by psychotic delusions or compulsions, or by a neurotic seeking of false self-esteem. The postings of a psychotic troll are unlikely to make any recognizable sense at all. On SOLO, the moderation of first posters effectively eliminates truly psychotic trolls. The neurotic troll either seeks to obtain false self-esteem by manipulating the reactions of others, or by demonstrating his "power" to destroy what others enjoy. The neurotic troll is often manipulative enough to make it past the initial moderation. However, on a Randian site such as SOLO, the neurotic troll's primacy of consciousness soon becomes evident: rather than respond substantively to the actual claims and arguments in the articles and posts he attacks, the neurotic troll twists and spins whatever he responds to, into whatever he has "the perfect answer" to. Then the original poster points out the manipulation and the neurotic troll is exposed. After two or three incidents of this type the neurotic troll usually gives up.
The Problem is "This pilot never acknowledges his mistakes and never gives up."