2014 Pilot Discussion

[Beancounter]

Dave is back alright and senior to Dean.

Maybe the use of the words, "desperate and scared," is a little much, but I'm getting some contradictions here.  Things are terrible on the west, but Dave comes back.  A friend on the east said recently, that if we give up the Nic, the west will get a sweet deal.  Give up the Nic?  The east guys on here are saying we gave it up with the MOU??  I am seriously confused.  Besides, there's a bigger question.  How do I give up something that isn't mine?  I don't own it, it was an arbitration award.  If anyone owns it, it's the US group as a whole and the last time I checked we/west were pretty united in our opinion of neutral arbitration.  Are Phoenix and Freighter trying to convince us to give up the Nic or are they trying to convince us that DOH is good?  Friends at AA have said that some east pilots have really been laying it on thick, trying to tell them how great DOH is for everyone. 
 
Maybe I shouldn't even bother trying to figure out their ulterior motives, if indeed they have them. 
 
Bean

 

[A320 Driver]

All you brought was a bankrupt airline about to file chapter 7. Do we really have to go there? No, didn't think so.

Remember, since your dark days in 2005 it was the addition of one hub to your money losing network which has allowed the combined US Airways to prosper- one hub. It's on the west. Growing. Yes, the addition of that one hub has turned around your career- I think you owe the proper respect towards your gift bearers. Really, otherwise you sound so "eastholish".

Wonderful!!! Keep your hub and enjoy the sun and we will stay over here on a LOS SLI.

 

[A320 Driver]

Maybe the use of the words, "desperate and scared," is a little much, but I'm getting some contradictions here.  Things are terrible on the west, but Dave comes back.  A friend on the east said recently, that if we give up the Nic, the west will get a sweet deal.  Give up the Nic?  The east guys on here are saying we gave it up with the MOU??  I am seriously confused.  Besides, there's a bigger question.  How do I give up something that isn't mine?  I don't own it, it was an arbitration award.  Are Phoenix and Freighter trying to convince us to give up the Nic or are they trying to convince us that DOH is good?  Friends at AA have said that some east pilots have really been laying it on thick, trying to tell them how great DOH is for everyone. 
 
Maybe I shouldn't even bother trying to figure out their ulterior motives, if indeed they have them. 
 
Bean

I think trying to sell DOH is a waste of time but credit is due for LOS in any SLI. Your time has got to be worth something Bean. I won't pretend to have the answers and I do enjoy throwing zingers at the posters living on the edge of reality but there has to be a way out of this and it isn't NIC and it isn't straight DOH either.

 

[Phoenix]

 
 
We should be paid when we are performing required duties.  Period.  That would start the clock one hour (90 minutes international for legacy US crews) and stop it 15 minutes after shutdown (usually) for pilots, and after the last passenger leaves the airplane for flight attendants.  
 
On through flights, pilot clock should start 45 minutes prior to depart time, and F/As 10 minutes prior to start of boarding.
 
Why, oh why, won't we demand to be paid while we are working?  Period.

 
 
Agreed.  The rigs used to basically do that for us, along with the old vacation rules.  Not so much anymore.  
 
We easily average 6 days more a month for less pay, and Doug just announced that the New American has over $10 Billion in cash on hand.... and we are excited about $8K and back pay.   :huh:

 

[nycbusdriver]

Hey, at least we have an LLC. Pretty soon you'll have no USAPA to extort funds from West pilots.
 

 
Yeah, getting an LLC is a HUGE and DIFFICULT undertaking.  If you go to a law office in person, it might take all of an hour, or two, and couple grand.  Maybe a day, or two, online.
 
Is there any air on that planet you live on?

 

[EastUS1]

Now, we have a growing list of new hires who see how much Date of Hire screws them and true to eastholr form, their situational ethics kick in again. And that's how they roll in life. ........Hysteria setting in...
 

 
I see...umm...hmm.  So, by your "logic"; any recently hired are utterly without moral principles of any kind?...Entirely due their east basing, versus the intellectually and spiritually pure PHX?...And their lives entirely revolve around "screwing the west"? People; one just couldn't make this stuff up. I'm now wondering if "you'se" have simply been delusional from birth, or sadly spiraled into it from all the "spartan" and nic nonsense...?
 
"Hysteria setting in.." Clearly. I might gently suggest looking into hormone replacement therapy.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
Send me a link of that LLC and I'll send you a buck 😉

 
We don't need you to do that yet.  You're sending your money every month (thanks, btw!) to USAPA, so no "Click to Donate" button required for now.  The button will appear when your dues money stops and the remnants of USAPA have spent the millions saved up that you sent to support the SLI.  Again, thanks!

 

[nycbusdriver]

It's in Silver's ruling, reading is required though. Good luck!

 
Sadly for you, cupcake, UNDERSTANDING is also required.  I would wish you luck, but your posting here assures me you are intellectually incapable.  (Do you get government aid for that?)

 

[Phoenix]

Maybe the use of the words, "desperate and scared," is a little much, but I'm getting some contradictions here.  Things are terrible on the west, but Dave comes back.  A friend on the east said recently, that if we give up the Nic, the west will get a sweet deal.  Give up the Nic?  The east guys on here are saying we gave it up with the MOU??  I am seriously confused.  Besides, there's a bigger question.  How do I give up something that isn't mine?  I don't own it, it was an arbitration award.  If anyone owns it, it's the US group as a whole and the last time I checked we/west were pretty united in our opinion of neutral arbitration.  Are Phoenix and Freighter trying to convince us to give up the Nic or are they trying to convince us that DOH is good?  Friends at AA have said that some east pilots have really been laying it on thick, trying to tell them how great DOH is for everyone. 
 
Maybe I shouldn't even bother trying to figure out their ulterior motives, if indeed they have them. 
 
Bean

 
 
Definitely not desperate.  
 
I was a little nervous about what Silver might do before her ruling (in the trial on the merits) but now that she has ruled again (the first time being the DJ) I finally understand her schtick.  She is a politician every bit as much as a judge and she plays all sides, rants for this then that, makes outlandish non sequitur statements, and then rules exactly according to the law (even though her Dicta doesn't even reveal she necessarily knows which law is truly applicable).  However, once she is done with her theatrics she ORDERS lawfully and will not be overturned by a superior court.  She is indeed much smarter than Wake ever was.  
 
There has never been a valid reason for the courts to place an injunction requiring the Nic, and that is just all the more apparent now.  The SLI is being negotiated freely now, between APA and USAPA.  The outcome will be fair, some people will disagree, and others may sue.  
 
The longer it takes to be decided, the better, if retirements are occurring on your seniority list.  Yes, I donated a large sum of money to USAPA before it started, I never donated anything to AOL, and I am gloating.  I feel guilty about that.   🙂  Yes, I feel guilty... The guilt is "survivors guilt".. ya know, the kind that happens after two people are in the same accident and only one survives. 

 

[EastUS1]

 
Yeah, getting an LLC is a HUGE and DIFFICULT undertaking.  If you go to a law office in person, it might take all of an hour, or two, and couple grand.  Maybe a day, or two, online.

 
 Well, unless one wishes to establish a standard corporation, in which case ya' might have to triple that herculean effort, and even that huge and unimaginable expense as well. The last time I was involved with starting one, well...it did take us a few days efforts, all time and legal interfacing considered, but that was within the Peoples' Republik of Kalifornia, and thus, more overly complicated than elsewhere. 😉 In any case; establishing a legal entity's clearly and forever beyond the even possible reach of other than serious "spartans".
 
Seriously though, here's how truly tough it is to birth an LLC these days:  http://www.legalzoom.com/sem/business/start-a-business.html?WT.srch=1&kid=21e8d03e-837c-a5a9-ab3f-0000641cd9fe&se=google&q=keyword&refcd=GO000000000000001s_keyword&tsacr=GO40039016047&cm_mmc_o=-R1CjCGEgBy5ByzfbBE%20H0zgf%20|%20mwzygtCjCDCjCD&gclid=COaBn_SCp7wCFSzNOgod9ycAAA

 

[snapthis]

Maybe the use of the words, "desperate and scared," is a little much, but I'm getting some contradictions here.  Things are terrible on the west, but Dave comes back.  A friend on the east said recently, that if we give up the Nic, the west will get a sweet deal.  Give up the Nic?  The east guys on here are saying we gave it up with the MOU??  I am seriously confused.  Besides, there's a bigger question.  How do I give up something that isn't mine?  I don't own it, it was an arbitration award.  If anyone owns it, it's the US group as a whole and the last time I checked we/west were pretty united in our opinion of neutral arbitration.  Are Phoenix and Freighter trying to convince us to give up the Nic or are they trying to convince us that DOH is good?  Friends at AA have said that some east pilots have really been laying it on thick, trying to tell them how great DOH is for everyone. 
 
Maybe I shouldn't even bother trying to figure out their ulterior motives, if indeed they have them. 
 
Bean

They are all over the place trying to lay it on thick. It's been a pleasure seeing they AAren't falling for it.

They know who's on the other side of the table.

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[EastUS1]

They are all over the place trying to lay it on thick.

 
Who do "you'se" honestly think you're kidding, besides yourselves? You can't even field a simple and direct question that'd obviously derail your fantasies, and so goes ignored.   "...please then proceed to cite which supposed "order" or "ruling" your latest nonsensical notions are contained within.....?" 🙂
 
Since you're obviously incapable of putting up even so much as half-baked BS in response, "you'se" now seek the aid of yet more imaginary friends with the APA. How pathetic is that? First "Doug" was going to coddle you, then the legal system, and now this last sad fantasy?...Seriously? This is all fast-becoming just plain sad to see, and I mostly just come here for the laughs.
 
No matter really, since there's no reason to now assume that the intent and letter of MB law will require any additional east efforts.

 

[snapthis]

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Yeah, getting an LLC is a HUGE and DIFFICULT undertaking.  If you go to a law office in person, it might take all of an hour, or two, and couple grand.  Maybe a day, or two, online.
 
Is there any air on that planet you live on?

 
It certainly isn't planet Usapia. Populated by DOHlts.
 
Since you can't get DOH with our money what makes you can do it with this hypothetical LLC?
 
I guess you not much of a deep thinker are you, Homer?
 
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[nevergiveup]

I think trying to sell DOH is a waste of time but credit is due for LOS in any SLI. Your time has got to be worth something Bean. I won't pretend to have the answers and I do enjoy throwing zingers at the posters living on the edge of reality but there has to be a way out of this and it isn't NIC and it isn't straight DOH either.

Yes, we should punish those that were furloughed, they deserve it! 

 

[EastUS1]

It certainly isn't planet Usapia.

 
Sigh! "planet Usapia"? Seriously? Very well. Enjoy what remaining time "sparta" has to exist within Fantasyland. Life events (far more serious than any of this nonsense) may well someday, eventually force "you'se" into at least some semblance of adulthood. Meanwhile, just enjoy your childhood.
 
I give you AWA's "heroic spartan army". 🙂
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlLKreue20w