2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

They can't change the law and there is a legal reason they wanted the ability to modify the protocol agreement as a single CBA because none exists in the MOU. USAPA will be around in some form to exert MB rights or sue to have the law enforced. At which point your management will say, oh well no JCBA until the litigation is resolved so whatever they are saving by not having it completed which is likely a couple hundred million annually will more that pay off draging it out for years. They have already showed how they will throw the litigation card to the NMB and say we can't negoitate an agreement till this is all resolved.

 
Agreed. What possible incentive does the company magically now have for quickly merging ops, that hasn't been present since '07? Against that's their established behavior with playing at contract negotiations for the longest possible period, as well as their demonstrated love for maintaining divided and mutually contentious labor groups.

 

[dca319]

Since the new American is now the largest airline in both LAX and DFW I think there's one extra letter in "shift" West.

JFK and MIA on the east. Guess that applies to CLT too.

 

[prechilill]

Well sounds like is going to be separate ops for quite a while, works for me.

 
Where the f--- do you come up with this Nine Piece?  You girls are truly desperate... house of cards crumbling down and all.  BTW, where the heck is that moron ALGFLYR- wasn't he spouting off a few days ago that an protocol agreement was about complete?  Wasn't it him?  😀

 

[dca319]

Well sounds like is going to be separate ops for quite a while, works for me.

I thought I smelled the distinct odor of two day old KFC chicken grease. Glad you could join us.

Kasher will pay.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Agreed. What possible incentive does the company magically now have for quickly merging ops, that hasn't been present since '07? Against that's their established behavior with playing at contract negotiations for the longest possible period, as well as their demonstrated love for maintaining divided and mutually contentious labor groups.

All the while the savings will allow them to better their competitors financial returns and appear as the darlings of the industry.

 

[prechilill]

How long before combined ops?  I say summer of 2015- six months after JCBA and SLI is completed.  Things are looking up for us!  
Wye, wye wye... You girls just ended up with nothing.  Well, maybe $250k less than nothing...  Is that possible?  I guess you girls out east really showed the west!  LOL

 

[dca319]

All the while the savings will allow them to better their competitors financial returns and appear as the darlings of the industry.

There's plenty of incentive. This is not our merger. Your small minds fail to comprehend that. .

 

[EastUS1]

JFK and MIA on the east. Guess that applies to CLT too.

 
Versus PHX? Seriously? That's truly desperate. http://www.forbes.com/places/nc/charlotte/

 

[nevergiveup]

USAPA is decertified once APA gets the property. Curious as to where you think the money will come from for all this litigation. East Spartans?

You will be accessed for it by APA. Click to pay!

 

[EastUS1]

There's plenty of incentive.

 
Explain that, if "you'se" can.

 

[flyingskier]

DCA319 said - You worried about the company shifting flying away from us and to the west and AA? If not, you should be.

They may have to, word from training is 600 new hires on the east this year. Two year 190 Captains, three year 330 F/O's, three year guys are holding an f/o block on the 320 in all three bases. 99 hires will hold 320 cap soon. Heck, the last West bid had 15 upgrades, your (yea, right move) DCA base alone with just 130 pilots had 15 320 upgrades on the April East bid! The company may have to move some of our east flying to PHX just cause they can't hire and train fast enough! With 800 pilots hired on the east in the last four years, and six hundred more this year... we are now the cheapest pilot group on the property.

Skier

 

[EastUS1]

How long before combined ops?  I say summer of 2015- six months after JCBA and SLI is completed. 

 
Thanks once more for all the predictable laughs. 😉

 

[A320 Driver]

 
Keep telling yourself that.
 
APA and the company want the West represented.
 
If the Arbitration panel says the West has a seat, they have a seat.
 
You gonna sue them?

I'll put money in right now to help fund a suit should USAPA be decertified prior to arbitration. Don't you ever get tired of being thought of as a worthless POS by the people you work with?

 

[EastUS1]

All the while the savings will allow them to better their competitors financial returns and appear as the darlings of the industry.

 
Pretty much....unless of course, anyone can somehow imagine more and bigger toys will somehow change the entire ethics, perspectives and well-established modus operandi of team tempe.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Versus PHX? Seriously? That's truly desperate. http://www.forbes.com/places/nc/charlotte/

More on topic would be this:

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-04/airline-hub-loss-stalks-the-heartland-whos-next-after-united-quits-cleveland



Airline Hub Loss Stalks the Heartland: Who’s Next After Cleveland?



American is run by a core group of executives from US Airways, which dropped Pittsburgh as a base after its long-ago merger with America West Airlines. Highest atop the proverbial wall of worry is Phoenix, a US Airways hub that finds itself at a geographic and competitive disadvantage within the airline’s new network. Geographically, it’s between Dallas/Fort Worth—American’s home airport, and one where it dominates both financially and operationally—and Los Angeles, a huge market that could, under American, become a true hub for the first time.

“American seems to like what they see at LAX, where they’re now the largest airline,” says Seth Kaplan, managing partner of Airline Weekly, an industry journal. “And if they are going to compete at LAX,” that means Phoenix’s role could be diminished. Competitively, Phoenix is also a major focus city for Southwest Airlines (LUV) and a new destination for no-frills Spirit Airlines (SAVE), both of which limit the financial upside for a legacy carrier.