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Bill Brasky said:
You want to hear the funny part?  When USAPA sues the company and APA the west will paying their part of the legal fees or be fired.  I laugh my ass off every time I think about it.
You know the NMB has a history of preserving the status quo and parking things where there is ongoing litigation or legal issue, ala the DJ lawsuit. Some people loved things being "parked" back in those days. Won't it be funny when the NMB exercises their "parking" power again?
 
apa pilots, there will be three actual neutral arbitrators if you still want to proceed with your current agenda. US Airways East pilots dealt with one arbitrator paid for by the union that provided the other two alpa """"pilot neutral""""" arbitrators in sheep's clothing. 
 
Your witness apa pilots.
 
Res Judicata said:
You would make a terrible spy. You haven't a clue.
Mitchell Vasin's Overview Current
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mitchell-vasin/18/118/29?trk=pub-pbmap
Mitch,  you are just an america west pilot for now.
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American Eagle Airlines
Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; Airlines/Aviation industry
October 1998 – March 2004 (5 years 6 months)
Served as a captain for a scheduled major passenger airline, responsible for the operation of aircraft throughout the United States, Canada, and the Caribbean. Responsible for all aspects of passenger and crew safety, and compliance with Federal Aviation Regulations.
 
 
traderjake said:
Which is why APA they will take the path that exposes them to least amount of USAPA induced litigation and why the West will have a seat at the arbitration table.
You don't believe the APA ever made any decision based on fear of litigation. Quit lying to us. You aren't even persuading yourself. 😀
 
Phoenix said:
You don't believe the APA ever made any decision based on fear of litigation. Quit lying to us. You aren't even persuading yourself. 😀
 
Fear no, they make decisions based on logic and self interest vs emotion and self interest for USAPA. :lol:  :lol:
 
Claxon said:
You would make a terrible spy. You haven't a clue.
Mitchell Vasin's Overview Current

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mitchell-vasin/18/118/29?trk=pub-pbmap
Mitch,  you are just an america west pilot for now.
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American Eagle Airlines
Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; Airlines/Aviation industry
October 1998 March 2004 (5 years 6 months)
Served as a captain for a scheduled major passenger airline, responsible for the operation of aircraft throughout the United States, Canada, and the Caribbean. Responsible for all aspects of passenger and crew safety, and compliance with Federal Aviation Regulations.
You're insane. How badly did the failing us air need to scrape the barrel back in 1999 to offer you employment? Was there no homeless shelters back then?

You're going to wish Silver had just simply ordered the nic award. After this next arbitration, you're going to make your current lunatic self look stable and intelligent.
 
A320 Driver said:
We would love to have a chance at a fair award. So far we haven't seen one and probably won't.
 
Chances are the world will cooperate and you'll get to keep your delusions of perecution.
 
Claxon said:
Are you seriously going to begin to time anything after all the other misfires?
Claxon said:
The FBI got the lying and anger issues all spot on.
You can talk to anybody you want, FBI, CIA, NSA, KGB. In your case it went nowhere. 3 falsely accused pilots got a paid vacation and USAPA attorney Seham got fired.

Cleary got sent to pasture and now spends his free time blowing his Claxon.

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EMAIL COMMENTS FROM USAPA PHX DOMICILE REPRESENTATIVE DAVID BRAID FROM
BPR MEETING ON ALLEGED INDENTITY THEFT
At the last BPR meeting of course the alleged "ID theft" was a hot topic. Cleary said that he wanted to "protect the pilots" and he thinks that a law suit against Leonidas is the way to do that. I asked "how is a law suit going to protect the pilots, Life lock would do that." Seham got on the phone to explain the reasoning. You have all seen the letters written to all of the law enforcement agencies making many
accusations and demanding immediate action. We have seen a lot of speculation that someone has violated federal law and someone is going to jail for a long time over this "data theft". Seham explained that the FBI is really more concerned about hackers than ID theft and he still had hope that the FBI was a good organization and would do the right thing. But he did not sound very confident that the FBI was going to knock on 3 doors and haul anyone to jail. He went on to talk about the NC attorney general. I guess a couple east pilots stopped by the NC, AG's office complaining about ID theft. They were politely asked to leave because according to the AG no law
had been violated. At this point Seham told the board that the NC AG was reading the wrong and Seham knew better.
 
This left USAPA with no choice but to file a law suit in state court not federal order to get an injunction. Not NC because discovery rules favored USAPA here in AZ. That way they could stop the "damage" and do lots of discovery on Leonidas. But no USAPA was not going to include the company, the source of the information. I guess the deep pockets of the company probably is a deterrent to that.
I asked if Seham had heard from the AZ attorney general. Yes he had. He went on to explain what he had demanded of the AZ AG. (Seham is getting paid by the hour) That he told the AZ AG
that Leonidas was violating its corporate charter and had stolen 3000 east pilots ID's. The AZ AG wrote back that he was "disinclined" to pursue any supposed violation to a corporate charter. Also that if USAPA felt that any laws were broken that they should contact LOCAL law enforcement. USAPA is also encouraging individual pilots to file personal law suit against Leonidas. At the CLT domicile meeting reports were given that several pilots had gone to see some very expensive ($600 per hour) lawyers that were supposed to be very scary in a court room to pursue this data theft.
My guess as to why we have not seen or heard anything about ID theft lately is because law enforcement has looked at this case and come to the conclusion that no laws were broken and no ID's were stolen. Seham also made a big point of telling the board how long Leonidas has had the information. September 2009. Yet there have been no reports of ID theft up till now. USAPA passed a resolution giving Mike Cleary the president and legal counsel exclusive authority to pursue any legal path they consider appropriate. The board turned over control to Mike. So if Mike thinks it is a good idea to spend a couple hundred thousand going after Leonidas in order to get into their books and computers and records that is what he is going to do.
 
On a side note, deary and Mowery questioned Roger very heavily about the "ID theft", from the questions they were asking it did not appear that they really had any idea what was going on, what the company knew or what anyone knew. They asked what administrative leave meant. They did not even know that they three guys were getting paid during this time. I don't think the company has talked to or given USAPA any information of this investigation.

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/BoTTS2May2011.pdf
 
Res Judicata said:
You're insane.
 
Sigh! Lets just start with the utterly inconceivable idea that, after busting a required polygraph, "you'se" would be denied a job by both the FBI and Secret Service...? Really? What NERVE they had! Perhaps a throaty "This is SPARTA!" might've helped..? No matter. Those agencies should certainly center their concerns entirely around "you'se" desires, one must suppose...? Follow that up by nurturing the degree of self pity shown by: "I will probably always be effected by the injustice of what happened."  Indeed. Who could doubt your being rejected by anyone anywhere to ever, even possibly, be other than a complete "injustice"? Then, there's being a self-styled "Airbus 320 Fighter Pilot." Seriously? Spice it up further with prior claims of having "attended rather exclusive private educational institutions", yet being inexplicably unable to express "you'se" self in anything approaching adequate english. Stir with little more than a continuous stream of infantile expletives, and...well...perhaps, just possibly, some additional consideration should first be given towards your foundational notions and personal perspective, before assigning the "thought" of ANY others being "insane", just sayin....
 
So USAPA has made a fine mess of itself...again. The "West Class" is still preserved thanks to the company's recent filings where, once again, they ask her how to run a business and make decisions. That brings me to my point that after USAPA is killed off,(an absolute certainty) what is an "East" pilot? What legal threat can they possibly be at this point? Until the APA actually did something that may be a DFR, the East can't even speak up about it. They aren't officially anyone or anything. Not so with the Certified West Class, their legal team, and their War chest.

I doubt the hypocritical irony of your East merger committee update is lost on ANYONE. Honestly, how unbelievably tone deaf is USAPA? You didn't hear the riotous laughter from virtually every party you've ever dealt with as you wrote that gem? Hysterical actually. Here's some shocking news...the APA will NEVER need USAPAS permission to alter any prior agreements. The protocol agreement, even if reached was worthless. The CBA can always negotiate anything it wants right? As long as there is an LUP. Notice how USAPA whines about an "impasse" and, once again, thinly veils a legal threat and the APA remained silent?

That's because they don't care. Silver stripped the ball from USAPA because they proved themselves entirely incapable of being a union. Please, PLEASE USAPA...sue over this. I want to read the complaint that sues a CBA for not allowing one minority group to screw another one. I'm begging you. Do it. I want to see the massive wave of hypocrisy, Irony and pathetic desperation crash into a Federal Court.

USAPA is poised to flip 180 degrees away from virtually everything they've argued since their still-birth...and hoping no one will notice the light speed flip and the humiliating, soul crushing hypocrisy that comes with it. TOO LATE.
 
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