2014 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

Given that APA will have the legal duty to represent all pilots and, potentially, liability for failing to do so, and especially in light of Judge Silver's express order, neither APA nor the company could possibly agree to let USAPA control the process after it ceased to be the collective bargaining representative. USAPA's effort to blame APA for this state of affairs is simply nonsense.
 
 
Like I said, APA will take the path that minimizes USAPA induced liability.
 
Response from Pheonix in 3, 2, 1......
 

 
Yep, you told us so.  Psst.  Your chickens haven't hatched yet.

 

[luvthe9]

DICTA is not an order!

He does not understand that part. Dicta...
Opinions of a judge that do not embody the resolution or determination of the specific case before the court. Expressions in a court's opinion that go beyond the facts before the court and therefore are individual views of the author of the opinion and not binding in subsequent cases as legal precedent. The plural of dictum.

 

[traderjake]

For the foregoing reasons, USAPA submits that the Board should dismiss the APA’s application without prejudice to its later submission when the objective criteria supporting substantial integration of the carriers exist. Alternatively, the Board should hold the application in abeyance until those criteria exist, including conducting an evidentiary hearing to establish a factual record for its investigation. USAPA also respectfully requests permission to file supplemental position statements in response to the submissions of the carriers and APA.     They missed today' filings with the NMB also!

 
"It is ironic that USAPA would suggest now that there should be no single transportation system finding without an integrated seniority list, given that it made the polar opposite argument in support of its successful petition to have US Airways and America West declared a single transportation system in order to force an election to decertify the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA). In that case, ALPA made precisely the same argument that USAPA makes now, and USAPA successfully opposed it. As a result, the NMB found that a single transportation system existed even though no single collective bargaining agreement existed."

 

[traderjake]

 
 Psst. Your chickens haven't hatched yet.

 
Your powers of observation serve you well.   😀

 

[Pi brat]

 
Your powers of observation serve you well.   😀

Better than you losing F/O.

 

[traderjake]

Sounds like somebody is under a little emotional distress tonight. 

 

[Phoenix]

Utterly false. One of the biggest lies is the groups being under one CBA. There are still contractual differences proving this incorrect. Different vacations being the first.

 
 
IMHO, a single carrier status is irrelevant to USAPA's responsibility and right to finish the MB process that was contractually agreed to.   If USAPA loses their rights and responsibilities under MB, simply because of single carrier status, then the APA and the company are wasting time by asking USAPA to agree.  And even worse, the Congress of the United States wasted their time creating a law that would never be implemented.   The APA is making up a very lengthy FUD piece to manipulate the negotiations with the hopes of getting USAPA to agree to a change to the MOU... to abandon its rights and responsibilities under MB.    
 
Think ALPA/TWA.  If APA can strong arm the legal representative into doing something stupid then the APA wins and can't be sued.  This time APA's opponent isn't ALPA drooling over the possibility of getting everyone back into the mothership.  YMMV.  

 

[Freighterguynow]

JCBA process and result in a "fair and equitable" final list that integrates the three separate lists that are currently in effect at the "new" American Airlines.


NoNic4U !

 

[Phoenix]

He does not understand that part. Dicta...
Opinions of a judge that do not embody the resolution or determination of the specific case before the court. Expressions in a court's opinion that go beyond the facts before the court and therefore are individual views of the author of the opinion and not binding in subsequent cases as legal precedent. The plural of dictum.

 
 
Exactly.  When the company unilaterally agrees to invite the West Merger Committee to a meeting.... oh, why haven't they done that again?  

 

[prechilill]

Sounds like somebody is under a little emotional distress tonight. 

 
Tony is having a melt down.  Time to call dad.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

 
"It is ironic that USAPA would suggest now that there should be no single transportation system finding without an integrated seniority list, given that it made the polar opposite argument in support of its successful petition to have US Airways and America West declared a single transportation system in order to force an election to decertify the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA). In that case, ALPA made precisely the same argument that USAPA makes now, and USAPA successfully opposed it. As a result, the NMB found that a single transportation system existed even though no single collective bargaining agreement existed."

What is ironic, is your lack of understanding of the criteria and the rules that have to be met for that to happen, but then again DAN, you just show your a$$ at every turn!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Will be funny to see after the meet and take your money greet!

 

[Phoenix]

JCBA process and result in a "fair and equitable" final list that integrates the three separate lists that are currently in effect at the "new" American Airlines.


NoNic4U !

 
 
Even worse for the West.... There is no such thing as the "third listers".... relative position baby! It was good ten years ago.  Its good now. 😀

 

[nic4us]

JCBA process and result in a "fair and equitable" final list that integrates the three separate lists that are currently in effect at the "new" American Airlines.
NoNic4U !

Good evening east SCABs.

Looks like the APA called uscaba a bunch of POS liars and hypocrites.


Oh, and when the "three separate lists that are currently in effect" are combined, pretty much count on a straight Nic and AMR slotted result.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Good evening east SCABs.

Looks like the APA called uscaba a bunch of POS liars and hypocrites.


Oh, and when the "three separate lists that are currently in effect" are combined, pretty much count on a straight Nic and AMR slotted result.

Great did ya write that big check?