2014 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

The only party to MB is the certified CBA. That's by judicial order btw. What's the fine/penalty for being held in Contempt of Court? Who pays or goes to jail? That's a question I'd want answered now if I was on the BPR.

 
 MB was not written in a manner to enable a single CBA to form and thereby make MB irrelevant.  It was written to preserve the rights and responsibilities of the respective CBAs during SLI.  Its poetic that it will be controlling on the CBA that initiated its necessity.  

 

[Metroyet]

Arbitration panels are not subject to whims of a CBA.  Arbitration panels don't give a hoot about LUPs.  They arbitrate between parties that are either statutorily submitted to them, or in the alternative willingly submitted by mutual agreement.  Arbitrators don't have the authority to chose who submits to the arbitration, and would not be complicit in implicitly assuming the entitlement of dubious parties.  😉

Can arbitration panels over rule a Federal Judge?

 

[Claxon]

The CBA is free operate as they wish as long as they have an LUP remember? The APA feels that their DFR is a liability to be respected. USAPA NEVER understood that. You all thought you could just operate with impunity and terrorize a minority group because you had formed your new "democracy". History is NOT going to be kind to Bradford and his little van-down-by-the-river gang.

"The courts patience with USAPA has run out".

Saw Hummels latest....seems kinda slow on the uptake. Why is USAPA the only ones that don't clearly see they've been completely neutered and are simply waiting to be declared dead?

Nice try apa.  You want to go to arbitration?  Yea right, apa, a group of pilots that never handled a seniority list integration with out a stapler.
 
Look for apa pilots to blink very shortly.

 

[Claxon]

Can arbitration panels over rule a Federal Judge?

No, the 9th circuit court will though.  Again.

 

[Metroyet]

MB was not written in a manner to enable a single CBA to form and thereby make MB irrelevant.  It was written to preserve the rights and responsibilities of the respective CBAs during SLI.  Its poetic that it will be controlling on the CBA that initiated its necessity.

Guess you'll have to file a lawsuit when you have a ripe claim then won't you. I honestly can't understand why Pat Symanski would have ever allowed the MOU to be written requiring USAPA be obliterated as one of the first steps. Who would agree to that?! Guess you should get a better lawyer to. Look for one that wasn't called out on clear ethics violations by a Federal Judge on his last case.

 

[Phoenix]

 
I haven't watched as many episodses of Perry Mason as you but I predict this will go to arbitration and the West will have a seat at the table.

 
 
That is certainly possible in the future, but at present the statute does not entitle the West to participate (and I don't expect the statute to change, do you?), and there is presently no agreement among the parties to stipulate to anything other than the statute.  However the content of the Protocol Agreement is intended to provide additional stipulations, so we shall see what develops in the future.  Its always about the future.  🙂

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

 
I imagine that is very fortuitous for you.

 

[Phoenix]

Can arbitration panels over rule a Federal Judge?

 
 
Are you hoping an arbitrator will over rule a Federal Judge?  

 

[Phoenix]

 
I know this will go over your head but it's wrong to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process just because you don't like the result.

 
 
I know this will go over your head but it's wrong to accuse people of reneging on an arbitration process when they completed their participation in it and acknowledge the award is complete. 

 

[Monkee]

 
Two kindly suggested options here:
 
1) Grow Up (an extremely long shot, and likely even impossible at this point, but there's always hope for people, sometimes in even the most tragic cases).
2) Get back on your medication.

 
Awww, East hates it when someone steals his joke...(hic!)
 
Ironic

 

[dca319]

The CBA is free operate as they wish as long as they have an LUP remember? The APA feels that their DFR is a liability to be respected. USAPA NEVER understood that. You all thought you could just operate with impunity and terrorize a minority group because you had formed your new "democracy". History is NOT going to be kind to Bradford and his little van-down-by-the-river gang.

"The courts patience with USAPA has run out".

Saw Hummels latest....seems kinda slow on the uptake. Why is USAPA the only ones that don't clearly see they've been completely neutered and are simply waiting to be declared dead?

Persians,

This LUP has thrown AOX's litigation strategy off course. We never intended it actually be used against us.

We have managed to completely change our argument on SCC with only the APA noticing and we've managed to portray ourselves as victims when APA doesn't honor it's agreements. Buy this LUP is proving difficult.

Stay tuned as we discuss strategy on how to deal with this new circumstance. Persian #1 is drunk out of his mind now, but when he recovers we'll know more.

Stay strong. Donate for DOH.

 

[Claxon]

The west pilots pontificating about legal matters after losing every legal challenge to USAPA' authority and rights thus far.
 
Carry on with your in front of the public pre mature adjudications.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Awww, East hates it when someone steals his joke...(hic!)
 
Ironic

 
By no means. Good laugh's, no matter the source, are a fine thing always, and no worries anyway, since there's never any shortage of jokes around here. Heck, there's a whole "army" of them. 😉

 

[dca319]

The west pilots pontificating about legal matters after losing every legal challenge to USAPA' authority and rights thus far.
 
Carry on with your in front of the public pre mature adjudications.

What has the east won?

 

[Monkee]

 
By no means. Good laugh's, no matter the source, are a fine thing always, and no worries anyway, since there's never any shortage of jokes around here. Heck, there's a whole "army" of them. 😉

 
"you'se" Persians, never fail to provide the unintentional comedy.