2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

The Army of Xerxes will investigate this propaganda. Little Persians, we need your donations ASAP!

 
Two kindly suggested options here:
 
1) Grow Up (an extremely long shot, and likely even impossible at this point, but there's always hope for people, sometimes in even the most tragic cases).
2) Get back on your medication.

 

[traderjake]

Hate to tell you but he predicted the law and the outcome fairly well on the appeal to the Ninth and the two decisions by Silver in her court. He has a pretty good track record so I doubt he is desperate.

 
His chickens haven't hatched yet.
 
God forbid when the East gets it's do over the West gets a fair shot to make their case.
 
That's the  desperation.

 

[EastUS1]

 
His chickens haven't hatched yet.

 
Nor have yours...ever, it sadly seems. 😉
 
A minor point of clinical curiosity though: Could/would you be kind enough to even try to explain the perverse pathology behind any east pilot, especially at this point in time, flourishing pom poms for the nic? Just the required amount of self-loathing alone would seem too cumbersome for most to bear...?

 

[EastUS1]

... bet your bottom dollar that incorporation will not deviate from the Nic one seniority number amongst the former LCC pilots.

 
What amount are you actually willing to wager? I'll admit I'd have to decline if it's to be "Billions in damages". 😉
 
P.S. Given your absolute certainty; odds will naturally be offered. What will those be set at?

 

[dca319]

 
Two kindly suggested options here:
 
1) Grow Up (an extremely long shot, and likely even impossible at this point, but there's always hope for people, sometimes in even the most tragic cases).
2) Get back on your medication.

"Medication"? Is that what you call your hooch?

 

[traderjake]

 
 
A minor point of clinical curiosity though: Could/would you be kind enough to even try to explain the perverse pathology behind any east pilot, especially at this point in time, flourishing pom poms for the nic? Just the required amount of self-loathing alone would seem too cumbersome for most to bear...?

 
I know this will go over your head but it's wrong to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process just because you don't like the result.

 

[dca319]

 
What amount are you actually willing to wager? I'll admit I'd have to decline if it's to be "Billions in damages". 😉
 
P.S. Given your absolute certainty; odds will naturally be offered. What will those be set at?

Don't you gambling away AOX's money Persian #1. We need if to defeat the APA's treachery.

 

[Metroyet]

Arbitration can be either voluntary or mandatory.  Mandatory arbitration can only come from a statute.   Voluntary arbitration can only come from a contract that is voluntarily entered into.  
 
Not very likely to get an arbitration panel to complicitly entitle additional participants without statutory warrant or a voluntary contract.  

The CBA is free operate as they wish as long as they have an LUP remember? The APA feels that their DFR is a liability to be respected. USAPA NEVER understood that. You all thought you could just operate with impunity and terrorize a minority group because you had formed your new "democracy". History is NOT going to be kind to Bradford and his little van-down-by-the-river gang.

"The courts patience with USAPA has run out".

Saw Hummels latest....seems kinda slow on the uptake. Why is USAPA the only ones that don't clearly see they've been completely neutered and are simply waiting to be declared dead?

 

[EastUS1]

 
I know this will go over your head but it's wrong to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process just because you don't like the result.

 
I can understand personal principles, and long-ago assumed you had some, right up 'till your sole preoccupation here became nothing more than striving to denigrate, back-stab and insult all those you've worked alongside of for so many years. Imo; that's some seriously cross-threaded BS that passes any issue of pure principles.

 

[Phoenix]

 
Or APA can put West pilots on their MC.
 
I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

 
The Statute does not provide for that but, sure they can, if all parties to the arbitration stipulate to that. 

 

[Res Judicata]

The Statute does not provide for that but, sure they can, if all parties to the arbitration stipulate to that.

The only party to MB is the certified CBA. That's by judicial order btw. What's the fine/penalty for being held in Contempt of Court? Who pays or goes to jail? That's a question I'd want answered now if I was on the BPR.

 

[Phoenix]

The CBA is free operate as they wish as long as they have an LUP remember? The APA feels that their DFR is a liability to be respected. USAPA NEVER understood that. You all thought you could just operate with impunity and terrorize a minority group because you had formed your new "democracy". History is NOT going to be kind to Bradford and his little van-down-by-the-river gang.

"The courts patience with USAPA has run out".

Saw Hummels latest....seems kinda slow on the uptake. Why is USAPA the only ones that don't clearly see they've been completely neutered and are simply waiting to be declared dead?

 
Arbitration panels are not subject to whims of a CBA.  Arbitration panels don't give a hoot about LUPs.  They arbitrate between parties that are either statutorily submitted to them, or in the alternative willingly submitted by mutual agreement.  Arbitrators don't have the authority to chose who submits to the arbitration, and would not be complicit in implicitly assuming the entitlement of dubious parties.  😉

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

good morning east SCABs.

Luckily for all LCC pilots there is both statutory warrant under McCaskill/Bond, AND voluntary contract in the form of the MOU.

further, upon a SCS determination from the NMB, uscaba is no longer a legal authority to enter into and/or enforce voluntary contracts. Bye bye SCAB union!

Oh, and this is for Pi......read 10 h again. Then ask yourself, who agreed to 10 h, and who is US Airways once a single carrier status is determined? also, ask yourself, what difference does it make that there was no change in the lists at the former airline once we are all incorporated into the single list for all AAL pilots. and, bet your bottom dollar that incorporation will not deviate from the Nic one seniority number amongst the former LCC pilots.

Let's see. Since there were four signatories, Amrerican agreed to it as well as US Airways. Don't forget paragraph 4 which nullified all prior agreements and status quo coupled with the greivance denial letter stating the companies interpration of the MOU that stated the seniority provisions of the 2005 TA were modified and East and West lists could only be integrated via McCaskill-Bond. Add in the fact the actual claim that Silver determined the DFR lawsuit on was that USAPA had abandoned the Nicalou award and found that they did not commit a DFR in doing so and the Nicalou is dead as a doornail. McCaskil-Bond becomes the statutory requirement once a dispute over seniority arises and once an impassed was reached on negotiation a protocol agreement, that constitutes a dispute.

USAPA has the lawyer was used in drafting the law and who has already been involved in two McCaskill-Bond integrations. I would say they are in very good stead. This all may have to detour through the courts yet again but time=attrition and that puts them in very good stead.

 

[Claxon]

The only party to MB is the certified CBA. That's by judicial order btw. What's the fine/penalty for being held in Contempt of Court? Who pays or goes to jail? That's a question I'd want answered now if I was on the BPR.

Love your melt downs.  Do you actually fly an airplane with passengers?  Very unsettling. 

 

[traderjake]

 
The Statute does not provide for that but, sure they can, if all parties to the arbitration stipulate to that. 

 
I haven't watched as many episodses of Perry Mason as you but I predict this will go to arbitration and the West will have a seat at the table.
 
Your fear of the West presenting their case is noted.