2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I don't worry about APA ....

 
 
Whew! Now that's some truly amazing/amusing "logic" in action!....Words just fail me here.

 

[snapthis]

John Scherff- america west chief pilot who handed over pilot identities, social security numbers, and other sensitive data to a third party. He received no punishment thanks to Russ and his connections.

Liar

 

[EastUS1]

It makes perfect sense. They're leaving it up to a panel of neutral arbitrators. That's vastly different than force feeding their version of "conditions and restrictions" to determine your future. This is really an easy thing to understand. Which explains your difficulties.

 
"You'se" prove yourself more the perfect fool with every post...and just when it seemed impossible for additional enhancements to be made by you there. On what possible basis can you claim ANY actual knowledge of just exactly what the APA has in mind to do?

 

[EastUS1]

Why wouldn't "Spartans" cheer the departure of U-stupid?
 

 
I can understand that part, but, as the bottom line; what makes "you'se" such utter and complete fools as to now imagine/fantasize/purely hope/etc the APA to be your supposed friends?

 

[snapthis]

I can understand that part, but, as the bottom line; what makes "you'se" such utter and complete fools as to now imagine the APA to be your supposed friends?

Considering the past, I'll take my chances. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Considering the past, I'll take my chances. 😉

 
A more brilliant strategy's never been seen anywhere. Keep rolling 'em. Just a hint here though; dice have no memory.

 

[Res Judicata]

Okay, nut job whatever you say. Still waiting for that #### slap you love to talk about. How long has it been six seven years? GFYS.

You idiots ***** slapped yourselves with an extra 5+ years of loa93 only to end up in front of another arbitration panel where the West will be independently represented. Relax. I'm sure you'll get your DOH list with all the C&R you demand.

 

[EastUS1]

You idiots #### slapped yourselves ...

 
Sigh!...Have a box of Kleenex and a bib on me, and try not to clog up your latest keyboard with excessive drool and spittle. 😉

 

[Res Judicata]

A more brilliant strategy's never been seen anywhere. Keep rolling 'em. Just a hint here though; dice have no memory.

The West pilots Do have a memory. A long one. Rot in hell scab union.

 

[EastUS1]

The West pilots Do have a memory. A long one. Rot in hell scab union.

 
For the likes of "you'se" self, that's highly questionable. Any concept of memory necessarily requires the presumed presence of a brain. 🙂

 

[Res Judicata]

Words just fail me here.

If only that we're true...

Still trying to wrap your mind around the innate corneas of neutral arbitration I see. I'm done explaining it to you. The APA gets it, everyone does but you scabs. Whatever. It's happening regardless.

 

[EastUS1]

If only that we're true...

Still trying to wrap your mind around the innate corneas of neutral arbitration I see. I'm done explaining it to you. The APA gets it, everyone does but you scabs. Whatever. It's happening regardless.

 
Sigh! "You'se" are clearly and simply, just far too stupid to even grasp that should the APA gain total control, that they'll be nothing at all truly "neutral" to be seen in any dealings with the USAirways people per seniority issues.
 
Per "you'se": "I'm done explaining it to you." No worries, and I'd not wish any further injury to what few working cerebral synapsis that may even possibly yet exist within your skull, and that can only laughably pass for brain function at any level as is.
 
P.S. I've some residual curiosity here: What are "innate corneas" of arbitration, or of any kind, other than what we're all born with that allow us the miracle of sight? Perhaps the Kleenex and bib come too late to save "you'se" latest keyboard after all. 😉

 

[electricjet98]

I get that part, but where I see absolutely no sense evidenced here lies within the insane assumption that the APA's now somehow, as if by magic, your supposed friends. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" actually makes no/zero/zip/nada logical sense whatsoever, as any first year student of even the most rudmimentary notions of logic and philosphy knows. Especially in this instance; if the APA is indeed an enemy to the existing union and by your assumption, the east; exactly WHAT magically makes them any supposed friend to the west, within the USAirways side?

No guarantees in life...we all know that! But by all appearances the tiff between APA, AAG & USAPA is based upon west pilots having a voice at arbitration. The east has consistently refused the west to have an equal voice in determining our seniority...the east believes they are uniquely qualified to tell the west what our seniority is worth. The west does not believe that to be fair and while the east had an opportunity to unite east & west by simply allowing the west to represent themselves at arbitration while both work together in our arguments opposing APA...the east squandered the opportunity just as it has done so many times before.

So while we don't know with great detail how APA will treat the west once they are our CBA, we know precisely how USAPA will continue to treat the west while they have any opportunity to do so.

 

[EastUS1]

No guarantees in life...we all know that! But by all appearances the tiff between APA, AAG & USAPA is based upon west pilots having a voice at arbitration.

 
The key phrase there being "by all appearances", and your folks are eagerly eating it all up with not-so-much a spoon as a shovel, just sayin'. It's easy to understand the west's feelings, but I can't see such as anything other than hopelessly naive. No matter. I suppose it's all largely moot at this point in time, and we'll, all of us, just have to watch and see how it unfolds.
 
I'll add that the little time I've still to spend in the business leaves me personally immune to selfish concerns here, and I've no lust for a fairly short dance with any 777's/whatever, but I'd not like to see my coworkers of many years, nor even mighty "spartans", stomped flat under any APA boots, which is, in my estimation, what the west's now, however unknowingly, cheering loudly for.

 

[electricjet98]

It's easy to understand the west's feelings, but I can't see such as anything other than hopelessly naive.

The only thing that time and our joint east/west experiences have conclusively proven would be futile...is to assume that USAPA could somehow "find religion" and treat the west pilots in the same manner they wish to be treated by APA. More than the fear USAPA has that the APA will treat them unfairly is the fear that APA might possibly treat the west as equals to the east.