2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

The only thing that time and our joint east/west experiences have conclusively proven would be futile...is to assume that USAPA could somehow "find religion" and treat the west pilots in the same manner they wish to be treated by APA. More than the fear USAPA has that the APA will treat them unfairly is the fear that APA might possibly treat the west fairly.

 
Oh hardly. Were "you'se" to ever honestly be "treated fairly"; it's highly unlikely you would be made happy at all. 😉 Don't expect the APA to be even the tiniest bit concerned with your fantasies of what's "fair".

 

[electricjet98]

but I'd not like to see my coworkers of many years, nor even mighty "spartans", stomped flat under any APA boots, which is, in my estimation, what the west's now, however unknowingly, cheering loudly for.

DOH stomps flat the vast majority of west pilots. Any SLI afterwards with APA only serves to put west pilots further under the compactor.

 

[EastUS1]

DOH stomps flat the vast majority of west pilots. Any SLI afterwards with APA only serves to put west pilots further under the compactor.

 
 
"Any SLI afterwards with APA..."  Be careful what you ask for. Think TWA. They'll do that, or come as close as they possibly can. Does DOH still look so horrible to you? Again; our rantings are of no import, as we're just posting for vents and chuckles here. My six decades and small change of life have taught me one thing very well. Whatever I think of how the world "should work" has nothing whatsoever to do with how it does work. 😉
 
I can only hope for the best for all concerned who will be living under whatever constraints come of all this.

 

[electricjet98]

Oh hardly. Were "you'se" to ever honestly be "treated fairly"; it's highly unlikely you would be made happy at all. 😉 Don't expect the APA to be even the tiniest bit concerned with your fantasies of what's "fair".

Paraphrasing, but as many have said before, "fairness is in the eye of the beholder". That is why we have arbitrators...if USAPA is concerned about fairness why have they done everything possible to deny west pilots access to arbitration?

 

[electricjet98]

"Any SLI afterwards with APA..."  Be careful what you ask for. Think TWA. They'll do that, or come as close as they possibly can. Does DOH still look so horrible to you? Again; our rantings are of no import, as we're just posting for vents and chuckles here.

In a single word...YES!

 

[EastUS1]

Paraphrasing, but as many have said before, "fairness is in the eye of the beholder". That is why we have arbitrators...if USAPA is concerned about fairness why have they done everything possible to deny west pilots access to arbitration?

 
We differ, not surprisingly. 😉 "why we have arbitrators" to me, merely serves as sad proof that even supposedly "intelligent" people, all too often, can't even manage to play well with others. 🙂 The human race?...It is what it is, and I'll just hope that any/all of you that will live long under the results of whatever happens don't get hopelessly hosed, both east and west. We'll necessarilly differ on just what the west is "entitled" to there.

 

[end_of_alpa]

DOH stomps flat the vast majority of west pilots. Any SLI afterwards with APA only serves to put west pilots further under the compactor.

Spoken like a true Westicle. Time of West pilots time in service is different than East time in service. Your time is better than ours. The new hire Captains now know you wish to treat their time differently as well. So much for value.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Paraphrasing, but as many have said before, "fairness is in the eye of the beholder". That is why we have arbitrators...if USAPA is concerned about fairness why have they done everything possible to deny west pilots access to arbitration?

"To the victors goes the spoils." Too bad.

 

[end_of_alpa]

"Any SLI afterwards with APA..."  Be careful what you ask for. Think TWA. They'll do that, or come as close as they possibly can. Does DOH still look so horrible to you? Again; our rantings are of no import, as we're just posting for vents and chuckles here. My six decades and small change of life have taught me one thing very well. Whatever I think of how the world "should work" has nothing whatsoever to do with how it does work. 😉
 
i can only hope for the best for all concerned who will be living under whatever constraints come of all this.

I have nine years left. This will be the last contract I will see. I'm with the New hire Captains. Take what you can and give nothing back. We learned it from the APA and the West.

 

[EastUS1]

I have nine years left. This will be the last contract I will see.

 
Understood, slightly younger Brother (who bothers to count much past 50 anyway?) 😉 You're in the bracket of many years coworkers that I certainly don't want to see hosed-over...by the APA or mighty "sparta".

 

[end_of_alpa]

Liar

PROVE IT. Put up or shut up.

 

[EastUS1]

PROVE IT. Put up or shut up.

 
Good luck with that. PROVE IT ain't their strong suit. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

DOH stomps flat the vast majority of west pilots.

 
 
OK. Exactly what point is it on the APA list that you personally imagine yourself worthy of being made artificially "senior" to, and on what possible basis? How about "you'se" snapthis, or Res judicata? This should be fun. 😉

 

[Metroyet]

Spoken like a true Westicle. Time of West pilots time in service is different than East time in service. Your time is better than ours. The new hire Captains now know you wish to treat their time differently as well. So much for value.

You will not decide anything.

 

[snapthis]

No guarantees in life...we all know that! But by all appearances the tiff between APA, AAG & USAPA is based upon west pilots having a voice at arbitration. The east has consistently refused the west to have an equal voice in determining our seniority...the east believes they are uniquely qualified to tell the west what our seniority is worth. The west does not believe that to be fair and while the east had an opportunity to unite east & west by simply allowing the west to represent themselves at arbitration while both work together in our arguments opposing APA...the east squandered the opportunity just as it has done so many times before.So while we don't know with great detail how APA will treat the west once they are our CBA, we know precisely how USAPA will continue to treat the west while they have any opportunity to do so.

No guarantees in life. Some have trouble grasping that concept. I'm not concerned about their past or how they feel cheated by arbitrators and ALPA. Sooner of later they'll have to take their thumbs out of their mouths and find the big boy pants.

Two words come to mind.......uniquely unqualified when speaking of USAPA.