2014 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

Great job you stupid USAPA Scabs, now the APA is getting a taste of your lunatic behaviors.  Thank you!!!
From the APA:
 
 
Your APA leadership has received several inquiries from members regarding our filing of a petition for single-carrier status with the National Mediation Board (NMB) earlier this week. Some members have also read the update that the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) issued yesterday, which characterized the filing as "premature" and asserted that a single-carrier filing would be timely only after an integrated seniority list is completed.
To be clear, APA's filing complies with the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) mutually agreed to by American Airlines, US Airways, APA and USAPA. The MOU stipulates the following:

APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after the Effective Date, when APA determines that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition but in no event later than four months after the Effective Date.
The term "Effective Date" refers to the date of the merger between American Airlines and US Airways, which was Dec. 9, 2013.
Consistent with that provision of the MOU and based on information American Airlines filed with the NMB last week, APA determined that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition. The completion of an integrated seniority list is not a mandatory pre-condition for a single-carrier finding by the NMB. Actually, in the vast majority of significant airline mergers, the NMB has found a single carrier before the completion of seniority integration.
The USAPA update also asserted that "the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration." This statement suggests that USAPA would continue to serve in its current capacity even after the NMB certifies a single bargaining representative. However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision in the Addington case, "when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."
The APA Seniority Integration Committee will continue to pursue the negotiation of a seniority integration protocol with USAPA and American Airlines, as required by the MOU. This protocol will establish the rules of engagement for APA and USAPA going forward.
APA will provide updates as appropriate during what will likely be a lengthy and complex seniority integration process.

Some new scents coming to east 330 seats soon for you to sniff. Too bad that will be your closest encounter.

 

[Winglet]

Sounds like what the APA leadership said was . . . . USAPA itself thinks that it will continue to be a party to the integration, however, after the NMB finally certifies the APA as bargaining agent (how soon that is, who knows), USAPA becomes irrelevant.
 
Sounds to me like some gentle persuasion to get-real in the relative short-term, or eventually . . . get-out in the long-term.
 
Doesn't look promising. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Sounds like what the APA leadership said was . . . . USAPA itself thinks that it will continue to be a party to the integration, however, after the NMB finally certifies the APA as bargaining agent (how soon that is, who knows), USAPA becomes irrelevant.
 
Sounds to me like some gentle persuasion to get-real in the relative short-term, or eventually . . . get-out in the long-term.
 
Doesn't look promising. Hope I'm wrong.

You are.  Rest assured that pilots currently represented by USAPA will have representation.  That's what the SLI Protocol is all about.

 

[prechilill]

You are.  Rest assured that pilots currently represented by USAPA will have representation.  That's what the SLI Protocol is all about.

You'll be represented for sure... By the APA.

Remember, "wide range of reasonableness".

 

[EastUS1]

You'll be represented for sure... By the APA.
 

 
Well heck! That makes perfect "sense"! The APA would then be "negotiating" only within themselves for seniority integration, (in obviously the pure intent of MB law) but yet naturally hand "you'se" spartans your nic on a platter, versus pull another TWA job on all concerned? Sigh! I think we're done here for the moment.

 

[im back..!!]

Ouch.

The USAPA update also asserted that "the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration." This statement suggests that USAPA would continue to serve in its current capacity even after the NMB certifies a single bargaining representative. However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision in the Addington case, "when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."

Read what you pasted. "However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision". "Notes", as in her Dicta. She didnt and wouldnt rule as to what is contained in Macaskil Bond, unless she wants to explain to senators Mcaskil and Bond what they really meant when they wrote their ruling.
USAPA will represent the oposing party in the seniority integration, then they will cease to exist. Their job complete.
And the reason that USAPA ever existed, is the same reason that APA will not ever allow this integration go to Arbitration.
This one "Is Bound" by federal law, and a derilict decision by a moron can't be held up to the light, before being consumated.

 

[prechilill]

 
Well heck! That makes perfect "sense"! The APA would then be "negotiating" only within themselves for seniority integration, (in obviously the pure intent of MB law) but yet naturally hand "you'se" spartans your nic on a platter, versus pull another TWA job on all concerned? Sigh! I think we're done here for the moment.

USAPA?   Catch a clue.  
 
Glug Glug Glug

 

[EastUS1]

USAPA?   Catch a clue.  
 
Glug Glug Glug

 
Are you now asserting any supposed defense for your nonsensical gibberish due to intoxication? Well...That explains much...although "Glug Glug Glug" may simply indicate you've sprung a larger leak than normally the case, and are finally sinking.

 

[prechilill]

NWA-DAL
CAL-UAL
Both mergers completed by the same union post McCaskill-Bond
 
US-AAL completed by... the soon to be same union post McCaskill-Bond
 
Any other questions from the circus clowns?

 

[im back..!!]

NWA-DAL
CAL-UAL
Both mergers completed by the same union post McCaskill-Bond
 
US-AAL completed by... the soon to be same union post McCaskill-Bond
 
Any other questions from the circus clowns?

they were both completed by their  individual CBA on their property, prior to there merger. If the premerger CBA is done away with prior to a seniority integration process, then what is the point of the process? you are just playing stupid if you dont see the logic in M-B.
 
All Usairways pilots will be represented vs all American pilots will be represented. via their respective CBA's. ubtill the SLI is consumated. Simple...
 
unless your blind.....

 

[im back..!!]

NWA-DAL
CAL-UAL
Both mergers completed by the same union post McCaskill-Bond
 
US-AAL completed by... the soon to be same union post McCaskill-Bond
 
Any other questions from the circus clowns?

With your logic, why does the US ever go to war? Why dont we just have the UN make the US the new government of the offending country and we could change their laws and lock up the offending leaders. Done, no need for a military....
 
What a bunch of Dumb-azz's..... sheezzz

 

[prechilill]

they were both completed by their  individual CBA on their property, prior to there merger. If the premerger CBA is done away with prior to a seniority integration process, then what is the point of the process? you are just playing stupid if you dont see the logic in M-B.
 
All Usairways pilots will be represented vs all American pilots will be represented. via their respective CBA's. ubtill the SLI is consumated. Simple...
 
unless your blind.....

And APA will be our collective bargaining agent in about three months. Get used to it.

 

[prechilill]

With your logic, why does the US ever go to war? Why dont we just have the UN make the US the new government of the offending country and we could change their laws and lock up the offending leaders. Done, no need for a military....
 
What a bunch of Dumb-###'s..... sheezzz

You sound desperate.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Oh goody, a new countdown clock!     
 
Maybe this one will be correct,  your other 3 dozen countdown clocks all seemed to have a broken spring.
 
I would have thought you would have learned by now that you never put a firm date on anything to do with the airline industry.

 

[prechilill]

With your logic, why does the US ever go to war? Why dont we just have the UN make the US the new government of the offending country and we could change their laws and lock up the offending leaders. Done, no need for a military....
 
What a bunch of Dumb-###'s..... sheezzz

Labor law vs. US Foreign Policy and Diplomacy analogy.

East logic at its best.
 
Jeez you'se clowns are dumb