2014 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

No, she never prohibited that.  The only thing she was very explicit about was that USAPA is no longer involved with the SLI once APA comes on property.  The APA will go with a west seat at SLI and its obvious by how quickly we've gotten a protocol agreement.

 

Participation in McCaskill-Bond
The West Pilots seek a declaration that they are entitled to participate in the upcoming seniority integration process for all pilots at the post-merger airline. That process is governed by the McCaskill-Bond Amendment to the Federal Aviation Act, 49 U.S.C. § 42112 note
(“McCaskill-Bond”). Under that statute, the West Pilots are not entitled to participate.....
 

 
 
Judge Silver made it very clear.  The West pilots are not entitled to participate, and the company in their request made it clear they had no intention of altering her order in the least.  Yet you implicitly assume otherwise.  Click here.  Satisfaction guaranteed.  It will help you overcome your addiction to the "Donate Now" button!
 

 

[dca319]

 
Naturally. What "east" pilot wouldn't be wishing for that?

Your alcohol-soaked vitriol is getting old.

 

[algflyr]

 
No, you're just an idiot.  This is pretty back and white:
 

[SIZE=13pt]US Airways requests that the Court modify its January 10, 2014 [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=13pt]Order (Doc. No. 298) to remove Footnote 15 so that the Order cannot be construed to [/SIZE]prohibit the Allied Pilots Association (“APA”) – after it has been certified as the single collective bargaining representative for all of the US Airways/American pilots – from creating and delegating authority to separate merger committees to represent the disparate seniority interests of the pre-merger US Airways and pre-merger American pilots. 

 

 
DCA,
 
It is there in black and white. I think you fail to really understand what is being said though.
 
Once the APA becomes the union, USAPA will still represent the US Airways pilots in the SLI. The removal of the footnote 15, which is a wrong interpretation of the law by Silver, confirms that this will happen. The protocol agreement will spell this out. It will basically be the APA appointing USAPA as the representative of the US Airways pilots for SLI. This is how the law intended for it to work. The company knows this. They don't want anyone to misunderstand and possibly add delay into the merged ops of the new company. I think this filing by the company seeks to clarify how the law is intended to work... 
 
If you look at what you quoted and remove the extraneous verbiage it reads like this: The company wants the court to remove footnote 15 so Silvers order cannot be construed (interpreted) to prohibit the APA, once it takes over, to create and delegate authority to separate merger committees for the APA and US Airways pilots. 
 
The merger committee that will be created, and that authority will be delegated to, to represent the US Airways pilots, will be USAPA. Of course the APA will have a merger committee to represent the APA pilots...

 

[dca319]

 
 
 
Judge Silver made it very clear.  The West pilots are not entitled to participate, and the company in their request made it clear they had no intention of altering her order in the least.  Yet you implicitly assume otherwise.  Click here.  Satisfaction guaranteed.  It will help you overcome your addiction to the "Donate Now" button!
 
 

Once APA comes on property, that becomes moot and the APA is free to set up the SLI as they wish.  She made that very clear.

 

[dca319]

 
DCA,
 
It is there in black and white. I think you fail to really understand what is being said though.
 
Once the APA becomes the union, USAPA will still represent the US Airways pilots in the SLI. The removal of the footnote 15, which is a wrong interpretation of the law by Silver, confirms that this will happen. The protocol agreement will spell this out. It will basically be the APA appointing USAPA as the representative of the US Airways pilots for SLI. This is how the law intended for it to work. The company knows this. They don't want anyone to misunderstand and possibly add delay into the merged ops of the new company. I think this filing by the company seeks to clarify how the law is intended to work... 
 
If you look at what you quoted and remove the extraneous verbiage it reads like this: The company wants the court to remove footnote 15 so Silvers order cannot be construed (interpreted) to prohibit the APA, once it takes over, to create and delegate authority to separate merger committees for the APA and US Airways pilots. 
 
The merger committee that will be created, and that authority will be delegated to, to represent the US Airways pilots, will be USAPA. Of course the APA will have a merger committee to represent the APA pilots...

USAPA is removed from the process completely and  reps from both the east and west, as assigned by the APA, take over.
 
I'll bet you that's what happens.

 

[Pi brat]

USAPA is removed from the process completely and  reps from both the east and west, as assigned by the APA, take over.
 
I'll bet you that's what happens.

That's when it becomes "boot"? Long night at the Marty Party?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Your alcohol-soaked vitriol is getting old.

 
As are your manic-induced diatribes.  Does your doc know you are not taking your lithium?

 

[Phoenix]

Once APA comes on property, that becomes boot and the APA is free to set up the SLI as they wish.  She made that very clear.

 
 
Of course.  The APA can disregard the law that Judge Silver had to obey.    

 

[Piedmont1984]

USAPA is removed from the process completely and  reps from both the east and west, as assigned by the APA, take over.
 
I'll bet you that's what happens.

So you are arguing that Silver has, in effect, made two contradictory rulings; the first is that the west class is NOT entitled to a seat at the table, while the second is that west IS entitled to a seat at the table - only later (provided the Protocal Agreeement does not explicitly preclude such a scenario and provided further that the negotiating phase does not yield an ISL).

Is that how you see it?

 

[dca319]

That's when it becomes "boot"? Long night at the Marty Party?

Gee, great catch Tony. 

 

[dca319]

So you are arguing that Silver has, in effect, made two contradictory rulings; the first is that the west class is NOT entitled to a seat at the table, while the second is that west IS entitled to a seat at the table - only later (provided the Protocal Agreeement does not explicitly preclude such a scenario and provided further that the negotiating phase does not yield an ISL).

Is that how you see it?

If USAPA exists, then the west gets no seat.  If USAPA is gone, as Silver states will happen when APA comes on property, then you'll see the west.
 
So no, she doesn't contradict herself.  She makes it very clear as to where USAPA stands once APA becomes CBA.

 

[Pi brat]

Gee, great catch Tony. 

You don't have permission to use my name. It's against board policy. Oh wait, you only want the rules that you think are fair to be followed, how silly of me! So you are a cheat in addition to a liar.

 

[Phoenix]

If USAPA exists, then the west gets no seat.  If USAPA is gone, as Silver states will happen when APA comes on property, then you'll see the west.
 
So no, she doesn't contradict herself.  She makes it very clear as to where USAPA stands once APA becomes CBA.

Judge Silver had no intent to alter the MOU and the company and the APA don't intend to be in breach of contract.

 

[nic4us]

Well, I do not know what to make of this except to say, one side is obviously very wrong!

I will say this, and maybe Pi can archive it for future reference. March 17, 2014 will be the day of single carrier status confirmation by the NMB.

On that date the SCAB union will no longer have any legal authority to represent West's interest. Any attempt at forcing the West under a uscaba umbrella for representation would open the floodgates of litigation. Exactly what it seems is trying to be avoided.


So, I picked the exact date that the AMR/LCC merger would be announced, and now I am going for an exact date the SCAB union becomes irrelevant.

For those of you historically challenged, March 17th is St. Patrick's day. The patron saint of the Irish, who is given credit for banishing all snakes from Ireland. And similarly, the NMB will banish the SCAB union from AAL.

 

[Pi brat]

Well, I do not know what to make of this except to say, one side is obviously very wrong!

I will say this, and maybe Pi can archive it for future reference. March 17, 2014 will be the day of single carrier status confirmation by the NMB.

On that date the SCAB union will no longer have any legal authority to represent West's interest. Any attempt at forcing the West under a uscaba umbrella for representation would open the floodgates of litigation. Exactly what it seems is trying to be avoided.


So, I picked the exact date that the AMR/LCC merger would be announced, and now I am going for an exact date the SCAB union becomes irrelevant.

For those of you historically challenged, March 17th is St. Patrick's day. The patron saint of the Irish, who is given credit for banishing all snakes from Ireland. And similarly, the NMB will banish the SCAB union from AAL.

Got it. How does all this happen if the company's motion is granted?