2014 Pilot Discussion

[Ames]

 
To expand on that a bit: Whenever people get caught up in group dynamics... well...it's a whole lot easier to self-excuse, or even fantasize as "noble", purely petty and greedy BS, but there's NO excuse for ANY individual person to EVER imagine themselves "worthy",  with say a whopping 3 months, of EVER jumping ahead of others with even as much as 16-17 more years worked!..Or 10/whatever. To make a willfull choice that such is somehow EVER "OK" demonstrates a wholesale lack of any real, personal character. Anyone even capable of such childish, greedy narcicissm has my utmost and completely proper contempt (and perhaps even sympathy, to some extent)...Period!

The thing that you never seem to grasp is that the "fairness" of the Nic or the "fairness" of DOH is not and should not be in question.  Both sides had merger committees representing their interests, spent millions of dollars and agreed to abide by whatever the arbitrator (whom we paid dearly) decided.  The behavior of the east subsequent to the arbitration is reprehensible and everyone knows it (especially the east pilots who are reasonable people).  Your actions may someday be forgiven but will never be forgotten.
 
In addition you should open your eyes.  The company an the APA are moving quickly to eliminate usapa.  The meeting with company executives on Wednesday should prove interesting.  This isn't over yet an the Nic is certainly not dead.  

 

[EastUS1]

Anyone who think a Reserve F/O should be senior to a Captain on the same airplane is a moron.

 
Addendum: Were the nic to be insanely given birth today...you perhaps DO realize that's exactly what would happen?...No?...I'd thought not. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

The thing that you never seem to grasp is that the "fairness" of the Nic or the "fairness" of DOH is not and should not be in question.

 
Serously? Well..OK...but only assuming one has both the moral values and intellectual prowess of perhaps, at best, possibly an amoeba..to not even "question"? Is this some sort of personal confession on "you'se" part? 😉
 
"In addition you should open your eyes." Mine have never been closed. Perhaps "you'se" haven't either, but have been unfortunately, simply been unable to see anything from your head being so far stuck up "you'se" arse...? 🙂
 
"The behavior of the east subsequent to the arbitration is reprehensible and everyone knows it"..? Seriously? This is just another delusional "spartan" joke right?...No? Please then, at "you'se" earliest convenience, kindly call "everyone" to the witness stand...? I'd love to hear what "everyone" truly thinks. 😉
 
"Your actions may someday be forgiven but will never be forgotten." Well..on a personal level, if "you'se" feel the need for "tough-guy" vengeance: my wager's always open. For what I care about what "spartans" think? Seriously?..."you'se" are just joking...Right? 🙂  Opposing some demented, greedy little mommy-bought-me-my-"pilot"-ticket narccissts on their quest for entirely unearned "seniority" hardly ruins any nights' sleep. As for what God Thinks?...I'll properly leave that to Him. What else ya' got?
 
"This isn't over yet an the Nic is certainly not dead." Whatever floats "you'se" boat to imagine. Don't forget to Click to Donate. 😉  http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Contributions/Leonidas_Contributions_OCT13.html
 
A suggestion Ames = Grow Up, or at least find yourself again. You once flew F4's as part of a Squadron, and thus, unless nothing whatsoever of a man (which I don't believe is the case) and thus you necessarilly understood Duty to issues above and beyond yourself. What changed, and how did that happen to you? That any thinking Pilot or person can make such a statement as: "The thing that you never seem to grasp is that the "fairness" of the Nic or the "fairness" of DOH is not and should not be in question." utterly baffles me. How could such even possibly NOT be in question?

 

[Claxon]

The thing that you never seem to grasp is that the "fairness" of the Nic or the "fairness" of DOH is not and should not be in question.  Both sides had merger committees representing their interests, spent millions of dollars and agreed to abide by whatever the arbitrator (whom we paid dearly) decided.  The behavior of the east subsequent to the arbitration is reprehensible and everyone knows it (especially the east pilots who are reasonable people).  Your actions may someday be forgiven but will never be forgotten.
 
In addition you should open your eyes.  The company an the APA are moving quickly to eliminate usapa.  The meeting with company executives on Wednesday should prove interesting.  This isn't over yet an the Nic is certainly not dead.  

Specifically, what is the reason for the "McCaskill-Bond Amendment"?
 
 
ames, the typical uninformed west pilot poster quote below.
 
"In addition you should open your eyes.  The company an the APA are moving quickly to eliminate usapa."
 
Yes, if APA and American Airlines try to remove USAPA participation like they did TWA, the sole reason for the "McCaskill-Bond Amendment", you think it is like a bear shitting in the forest,  no one would know.  Ain't going to happen that way junior.

 

[Claxon]

Anyone know the status of the west damages trial.  You know, the damages west leaders have promised the west pilots for years.  Your thoughts please west sirs?

 

[EastUS1]

Anyone know the status of the west damages trial.  You know, the damages west leaders have promised the west pilots for years.  Your thoughts please west sirs?

 
I got that one. = "Billions in damages". 😉

 

[Pi brat]

The thing that you never seem to grasp is that the "fairness" of the Nic or the "fairness" of DOH is not and should not be in question.  Both sides had merger committees representing their interests, spent millions of dollars and agreed to abide by whatever the arbitrator (whom we paid dearly) decided.  The behavior of the east subsequent to the arbitration is reprehensible and everyone knows it (especially the east pilots who are reasonable people).  Your actions may someday be forgiven but will never be forgotten.
 
In addition you should open your eyes.  The company an the APA are moving quickly to eliminate usapa.  The meeting with company executives on Wednesday should prove interesting.  This isn't over yet an the Nic is certainly not dead.  

Man, my feet just got cold. I agree with you, to a point.
 
The fairness of the Nic is irrelevant. What can and will be done with it is the question.
 
We were in a quagmire. USAPA failed in getting a DOH east/west list. We were looking at a situation where the US pilots would be on the outside looking in. The legally elected CBA decided to do something different. We all voted for it. You guys sued, saying that the agreement you voted for was a violation or you DFR. A federal judge agreed with you that the MOU abandoned the Nic, but disagreed that it was a failure of the CBA's DFR.
 
Move on.

 

[Claxon]

Sarcastic west pilot update;
 
""Dear west pilot contributors,
 
 
The McCaskill-Bond Amendment was enacted because american airlines and the APA screwed the TWA pilots,  "youse"  guys keep sending your donations, we believe they can do it again without no one noticing how they did it to USAPA pilots too.""

 

[Pi brat]

 
I got that one. = "Billions in damages". 😉

You guys always get that wrong. Nic4us said a gazillion. ;-)

 

[EastUS1]

You guys always get that wrong. Nic4us said a gazillion. ;-)

 
🙂 Nope. Fair's fair Pi...it was merely untold "Billions". I had/who wouldn't, a lot of laughter wondering exactly who they thought was ever going to write the check for their absurdly childish fantasies, but no matter. 😉

 

[Claxon]

You guys always get that wrong. Nic4us said a gazillion. ;-)

In addition to this, nic4(we wished)us promised garnished social security wages from all East pilots for life.
 
Frankly speaking, what a misinformed ass.

 

[EastUS1]

In addition to this, nic4(we wished)us promised garnished social security wages from all East pilots for life.
 
Frankly speaking, what a misinformed ass.

 
 
Well..That's a bit unkind Brother, and to be at all fair here with the whole west/"spartan" thing we must realize the following:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZvT2r828QY

 

[Claxon]

But the west pilots and their kids are so funny and cool. 
 
What kind of idiot would put their kids in the frey...........oh, never mind, tony "the tbone biker" anger and cool guy , better than anyone else, Christian biker, did.  He is a fool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUx5rdXM0Q

 

[EastUS1]

But the west pilots and their kids are so funny and cool. 
 
What kind of idiot would put their kids in the frey...........oh, never mind, tony "the tbone biker" anger and cool guy , better than anyone else, Christian biker, did.  He is a fool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUx5rdXM0Q

 That's easy. Their "mighty"...umm.."Cap'n Aux" declared himself a "kid by choice" on his own blogging BS, and who are we to offer any argument to that? Really though; who wouldn't find these amusing little children to be at least a bit charmingly precocious, just plain adorable and  downright "cute"?...Well...Save that such pathetically disgusting, brain-dead, incurable village idiots are representing the Piloting profession to the entire world as being staffed by such utterly infantile morons as themselves?..Oh "Lords and Ladies".."knights"...."westeross!!!"/etc:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U&list=PL5DCDEE4D2ADA2659&feature=c4-overview-vl
 
 
Contrast that pathetic little AWA "dire wolf" jackass with the following:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixUbdeXCp0M

 

[Claxon]

another army of lyingitas sarcastic update.
 
Dear fellow "youse" west guys .
 
Please welcome the 1990 date of hire brothers and sisters american airline pilot f/0's you will be flying with because of your 2003 date of hire.  You saved them, they owe you,
 
eric ferguson, class of late 2003