2014 Pilot Discussion

[Ames]

You should have read it!

I did, that's why I know all of the facts.

 

[Ames]

 
Personally; I see no wasted years whatsoever, nor do I see any of "you'se" punks taking away even whole decades of worked years from those junior to myself and many like-minded others, and per: "The west simply wouldn't allow you to fcuk us."..? No worries there, since you've done such an amazingly fine job on yourselves. 😉

Problem for you is that we will soon be under one contract and things will be finalized.  I am senior to you on the Nic list and for the twelve years I have left will bid over you, take the vacation weeks you want, holidays.  Looking forward to it.

 

[Claxon]

Problem for you is that we will soon be under one contract and things will be finalized.  I am senior to you on the Nic list and for the twelve years I have left will bid over you, take the vacation weeks you want, holidays.  Looking forward to it.

 

 

[Beancounter]

because I'm............
 
http://youtu.be/y6Sxv-sUYtM
 
😀  🙂  😀

 

[nevergiveup]

I did, that's why I know all of the facts.

 Help is available.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Not quite,

There is no membership ratification requirement for the seniority list.

 

Stay classy West ....

 

[nevergiveup]

Not quite,

There is no membership ratification requirement for the seniority list.

The deal is get a contract and it will include the Nic, but the east SCABs violated the terms of that agreement by walking out of negotiations and refusing to negotiate a Nic inclusive contract.

Not to worry, the SCAB union will be gone in short order.

Oh, and BTW, to date, the Nic is still the only accepted system seniority list for all LCC pilots, and get this, LCC and AMR have done a merger deal in which the TWO groups will be integrated.

And, while we are at it.....got that injunction lifted yet? Seems the company has reiterated the fact in their replies to the court that uSCABa is a bunch of POS reneging malcontents, and will as Judge Silver noted, lie cheat and steal whenever given the opportunity.

Have a nice day.

 Ratification was required to bring the NIC to life by way of a contract. I hope this makes it easier for you to understand. Cheers.

 

[algflyr]

 Ratification was required to bring the NIC to life by way of a contract. I hope this makes it easier for you to understand. Cheers.

 
And that's only part of it. The ratification required was very specific in the TA on who the parties were that needed to approve it. It needed to be an agreement between the East and West (Later combined under USAPA for representational purposes) and US Airways. That's it. Any agreement that includes other parties, such as American and/or the APA is not a contingency ever contemplated for in the TA, thus not allowed. (At least not in the sense that it would trigger the Nic)The only way the Nic could have ever become active is now an impossibility. 

 

[A320 Driver]

“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.
“And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."
 
US Airways president Scott Kirby
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/05/kirby-we-expect-an-amr-us-airw.html/

And why wasn't it done yet? Because we got parked. Why? So the company could blame it on the seniority dispute and save themselves almost 1 BILLION dollars in pilots costs over the course of the litigation.
Funny how he blames the East pilot group for the delay.

 

[Claxon]

 
And that's only part of it. The ratification required was very specific in the TA on who the parties were that needed to approve it. It needed to be an agreement between the East and West (Later combined under USAPA for representational purposes) and US Airways. That's it. Any agreement that includes other parties, such as American and/or the APA is not a contingency ever contemplated for in the TA, thus not allowed. (At least not in the sense that it would trigger the Nic)The only way the Nic could have ever become active is now an impossibility. 

The only box that the west pilots needed to have checked was a combined contract between the East and west, but the greedy army of mongrels attempted to set their goals for more punitive results. 
 
USAPA was voted in with less than 500 votes, a small amount of remuneration directed to the East was all that was necessary to attain a lopsided seniority list integration completion.  A small group of imbeciles decided to fight a combined contract, with vengeance in mind. 
 
west, you put your nose in the burro in front of you and were succumbed by the herd mentality.

 

[Claxon]

“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.”
― George S. Patton Jr.

 

[EastUS1]

Problem for you is that we will soon be under one contract and things will be finalized.  I am senior to you on the Nic list and for the twelve years I have left will bid over you, take the vacation weeks you want, holidays.  Looking forward to it.

 
Enjoy all "you'se" fantasies as best you can, as well as the likely at least 2 leg commute to and from PHX, which must make for some really miserable days, and does serve to partially explain your anger issues.

 

[EastUS1]

I did, that's why I know all of the facts.

 
Thanks for the usual chuckles. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

EastUs and I get along pretty well at the Watercooler. If we can get him in some formal attire and a $675 tie, anything is possible.. 😉

 
I'd missed this earlier. I can assure "you'se" that from your eagerness to selfishly usurp the worked years and experience of others, that we share precious few (if any) actual core principles...and I'm not about to dare try donning anything so formal as could ever even possibly compete with full "spartan" mess dress, with a "patriotic", "liberty" tie and all, just for some meeting with "knights", "Larry Potta" and "dire wolves". 😉 Per any "Patriot" fantasies; they are just that, if limited to the wearing of ridiculous ties. Dinesh D'Souza rightly "raises the question of what we in America would be willing to give our lives for. No serious patriotism is possible that does not attempt to answer that question."
 
"If we can get him in some formal attire and a $675 tie, anything is possible.. 😉 " Sigh! I couldn't even dream of competing with "you'se" there in any case:
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U&list=PL5DCDEE4D2ADA2659

 

[Claxon]

Former US Airways management, now AMR management, admonishes storm excuses from USAPA (union representing US Airways pilots) in their current legal brief. 
 
These same airline managers use similar storm excuses about their bottom line quarterly earnings. 
 
Selective excuses apparently. 
 
"PLAINTIFF’S (American Airlines) BRIEF IN OPPOSITION TO
DEFENDANT’S (US Airways Pilots) MOTION TO VACATE
THE PERMANENT INJUNCTION"
 
"And when US Airways filed its complaint seeking an
injunction, USAPA did not stop its illegal slowdown but instead inaccurately insisted that the
disruption of operations was caused by other factors, such as weather delays, holiday travel,
operational errors by air traffic controllers, the eruption of a volcano in Iceland, and an
earthquake in Japan."
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/US_Air_Injunctive_Relief_Against_USAPA/Doc_95_Airways_Opposition.pdf
 
Management of AMR, In reference to their bottom line earnings in the current quarter;
 
"Harsh snow, ice and frigid weather that battered large swaths of the country, especially American’s hubs in Charlotte, North Carolina, Chicago, Dallas and New York, forced the airline to cancel more than 34,000 flights, it said. The four biggest U.S. airlines in total were forced to cancel more than 74,000 flights in the first two months of this year."
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-08/american-airlines-says-storms-cut-first-quarter-revenue.html