2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

If you want USAPA to be the only US Airways agent representing the pilots at MB you're going to have to appeal your "big win". Silver wiped USAPA off the table, APA understood her order as does AAL management. As it stands now, USAPA...whatever that is after decertification, isn't going to get so much as a phone call as to where the meetings are being held. I believe the key phrase is "Pyrric". The 9th is the only place you can go with Silver, you'll be funding that on your own.

Give it a rest Kev will take from here.

One of the four Leonidas LLC directors is apparently now employed as an American Airlines pilot;\

Having Kevin Horner associated in any way with this DFR only hurts the effort. How can he adequately meet the fiduciary requirements to fairly represent the class? Our sources have told us that Kevin Horner’s current union, the APA, is furious with him for his participation in a DFR suit against another union.

 

[luvthe9]

so I suggest you find a trustworthy translator, preferably one with a law degree.  It may help you understand it.  (But I doubt it will get through that oxygen-free bubble in which you live.)

Hey, maybe try Doyal he knows it all over.

 

[end_of_alpa]

If you want USAPA to be the only US Airways agent representing the pilots at MB you're going to have to appeal your "big win". Silver wiped USAPA off the table, APA understood her order as does AAL management. As it stands now, USAPA...whatever that is after decertification, isn't going to get so much as a phone call as to where the meetings are being held. I believe the key phrase is "Pyrric". The 9th is the only place you can go with Silver, you'll be funding that on your own.

The word is "Pyrrhic". AOL and/or AAL has to appeal. USAPA won, therefore they can't appeal.

Oh, BTW......GFYS SCAB!

 

[Phoenix]

If you want USAPA to be the only US Airways agent representing the pilots at MB you're going to have to appeal your "big win". Silver wiped USAPA off the table, APA understood her order as does AAL management. As it stands now, USAPA...whatever that is after decertification, isn't going to get so much as a phone call as to where the meetings are being held. I believe the key phrase is "Pyrric". The 9th is the only place you can go with Silver, you'll be funding that on your own.

What makes you happy? Your hope that the APA will be the sole agent?

 

[Pi brat]

The word is "Pyrrhic". AOL and/or AAL has to appeal. USAPA won, therefore they can't appeal.

Oh, BTW......GFYS SCAB!

I guess they have never heard of google. I'm not much of a speller either though.
 
Appeal a win. Why didn't USAPA think of that?
 
I've been busy and not on here much, but has anyone heard from nicless? I think he is over a month overdue on his SCS prediction.

 

[Metroyet]

What makes you happy? Your hope that the APA will be the sole agent?

The knowledge that USAPA, the most costly failed experiment in aviation history, will soon be a bad memory makes me happy. It makes the a lot of people happy.

 

[Metroyet]

The word is "Pyrrhic". AOL and/or AAL has to appeal. USAPA won, therefore they can't appeal.

Oh, BTW......GFYS SCAB!

Geez. Chill out. Don't shoot the messenger. USAPA failed. You're right. Typo. It's Pyrrhic. As in:
 
Etymology
The phrase Pyrrhic victory is named after Greek King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at Heraclea in 280 BC and Asculum in 279 BC during the Pyrrhic War. After the latter battle, Plutarch relates in a report by Dionysius:
In both of Pyrrhus's victories, the Romans suffered greater casualties than Pyrrhus did. However, the Romans had a much larger supply of men from which to draw soldiers and their casualties did less damage to their war effort than Pyrrhus's casualties did to his.

The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one more such victory would utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war.
—Plutarch, [2]
The report is often quoted as "Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone",[3] or "If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined."[4]
The term is used as an analogy in fields such as business, politics, and sports to describe struggles that end up ruining the victor. Theologian Reinhold Niebuhr, for example, commented on the necessity of coercion in preserving the course of justice by warning, "Moral reason must learn how to make coercion its ally without running the risk of a Pyrrhic victory in which the ally exploits and negates the triumph."[5] Also, in Beauharnais v. Illinois, a 1952 U.S. Supreme Court decision involving a charge proscribing group libel, Justice Hugo Black alluded to the Pyrrhic War in his dissent: "If minority groups hail this holding as their victory, they might consider the possible relevancy of this ancient remark: 'Another such victory and I am undone.'"[6]
 
Nobody is going to play ball with USAPA. The Company and the APA want you dead. Given the fact that over a full THIRD of your own membership will relentelessly persue the same...
 
Silver Ruled. You're done at SCS. Don't appeal your "win"
 
Quite the little "labor union" you've got there.

 

[im back..!!]

Geez. Chill out. Don't shoot the messenger. USAPA failed. You're right. Typo. It's Pyrrhic. As in:
 
Etymology
The phrase Pyrrhic victory is named after Greek King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at Heraclea in 280 BC and Asculum in 279 BC during the Pyrrhic War. After the latter battle, Plutarch relates in a report by Dionysius:
In both of Pyrrhus's victories, the Romans suffered greater casualties than Pyrrhus did. However, the Romans had a much larger supply of men from which to draw soldiers and their casualties did less damage to their war effort than Pyrrhus's casualties did to his.
The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one more such victory would utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war.
—Plutarch, [2]
The report is often quoted as "Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone",[3] or "If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined."[4]
The term is used as an analogy in fields such as business, politics, and sports to describe struggles that end up ruining the victor. Theologian Reinhold Niebuhr, for example, commented on the necessity of coercion in preserving the course of justice by warning, "Moral reason must learn how to make coercion its ally without running the risk of a Pyrrhic victory in which the ally exploits and negates the triumph."[5] Also, in Beauharnais v. Illinois, a 1952 U.S. Supreme Court decision involving a charge proscribing group libel, Justice Hugo Black alluded to the Pyrrhic War in his dissent: "If minority groups hail this holding as their victory, they might consider the possible relevancy of this ancient remark: 'Another such victory and I am undone.'"[6]
 
Nobody is going to play ball with USAPA. The Company and the APA want you dead. Given the fact that over a full THIRD of your own membership will relentelessly persue the same...
 
Silver Ruled. You're done at SCS. Don't appeal your "win"
 
Quite the little "labor union" you've got there.

Show me where Silver ruled and were done at SCS...

Easy job here, just show us, quote i...and ill forever keep my mouth shut...

Just show me where she "ruled" that USAPA is done, and a phyric victory, after SCS....

?

 

[Phoenix]

The knowledge that USAPA, the most costly failed experiment in aviation history, will soon be a bad memory makes me happy. It makes the a lot of people happy.

It's always just right around the corner when you will be happy.

Give us a t-minus clock. 😀

 

[Metroyet]

Show me where Silver ruled and were done at SCS...

Easy job here, just show us, quote i...and ill forever keep my mouth shut...

Just show me where she "ruled" that USAPA is done, and a phyric victory, after SCS....

?

She told you TWICE her comments regarding the fate of USAPA post SCS was NOT dicta. APA got the message...AAL got the message...AOL won't lift a finger to object to the message. So I guess that leaves you with one option: Appeal your "win" to the 9th. We'll see what the law says then...maybe.
 
Because until some point in the future, when you may or may NOT be able to prove some kind of harm, whatever is causing the obvious heartburn within USAPA today is simply....NOT ripe.

 

[Metroyet]

It's always just right around the corner when you will be happy.

Give us a t-minus clock. 😀

Were you not supposed to have a DOH contract inside of 90 days back in 2008? How many more years were you on LOA93 until the APA gave you a raise...5+ MORE years?
 
Where is your DOH inclusive contract? Is that just right around the corner? My guess is, (and I'll bet money on this) that the APA is going to be your new union before you see a DOH JCBA covering the East and West.  According to court records, the APA plans on giving the West their own merger committee...do you think the arbitration panel is unaware of the last several years? Do you think that they'd agree that George Nicolau is a senile old fool?
 
No one has ever answered this question btw: Whom among the USAPA Grand Poohbahs is willing to risk a jail sentence to mis-appropriate union dues after USAPA is obviously NO LONGER A UNION? 😀

 

[end_of_alpa]

Geez. Chill out. Don't shoot the messenger. USAPA failed. You're right. Typo. It's Pyrrhic. As in:
 
Etymology
The phrase Pyrrhic victory is named after Greek King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at Heraclea in 280 BC and Asculum in 279 BC during the Pyrrhic War. After the latter battle, Plutarch relates in a report by Dionysius:
In both of Pyrrhus's victories, the Romans suffered greater casualties than Pyrrhus did. However, the Romans had a much larger supply of men from which to draw soldiers and their casualties did less damage to their war effort than Pyrrhus's casualties did to his.

The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one more such victory would utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war.
—Plutarch, [2]
The report is often quoted as "Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone",[3] or "If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined."[4]
The term is used as an analogy in fields such as business, politics, and sports to describe struggles that end up ruining the victor. Theologian Reinhold Niebuhr, for example, commented on the necessity of coercion in preserving the course of justice by warning, "Moral reason must learn how to make coercion its ally without running the risk of a Pyrrhic victory in which the ally exploits and negates the triumph."[5] Also, in Beauharnais v. Illinois, a 1952 U.S. Supreme Court decision involving a charge proscribing group libel, Justice Hugo Black alluded to the Pyrrhic War in his dissent: "If minority groups hail this holding as their victory, they might consider the possible relevancy of this ancient remark: 'Another such victory and I am undone.'"[6]
 
Nobody is going to play ball with USAPA. The Company and the APA want you dead. Given the fact that over a full THIRD of your own membership will relentelessly persue the same...
 
Silver Ruled. You're done at SCS. Don't appeal your "win"
 
Quite the little "labor union" you've got there.

As in...enjoy the bottom of the seniority list SCAB.  I JUST LOVE PUNCHING YOU WESTICLES IN THE TEETH WITH THE LAW.  
 
Its SO MUCH FUN WHEN.....WE KEEP WINNING!    
 
Oh, and GFYS you losing POS SCAB!!!    
 
Nobody here gives one rats ass what you say.  I love it when you come on just so I can get both YOU, RES and Nic4us lawyer "JK" one last punch in the webboard face.  That's all the legal reasoning you Westicles understand.  BTW....I've been right 100% on the legal front.  ENJOY YOUR JUNIORITY!  HA HA HA HA!

 

[nevergiveup]

Your wasting your keyboard moments.  Metroyet Res, Nic4Us et. al. are nothing but  echos in the canyon of the misery that the Westicles have brought about themselves.  
 
While we enjoy OUR SENIORITY these low life POS SCABS (I only speak in their vernacular because that is the ONLY language they understand) come on the web boards and make baseless predictions, just like the East Chip Munn and Dan Everts that have no basis in the law.  They just parrot what the AOL handlers want them to say.  
 
Meanwhile, back in the desert......

 
 

Your wasting your keyboard moments.  Metroyet Res, Nic4Us et. al. are nothing but  echos in the canyon of the misery that the Westicles have brought about themselves.  
 
While we enjoy OUR SENIORITY these low life POS SCABS (I only speak in their vernacular because that is the ONLY language they understand) come on the web boards and make baseless predictions, just like the East Chip Munn and Dan Everts that have no basis in the law.  They just parrot what the AOL handlers want them to say.  
 
Meanwhile, back in the desert......

It's a dry heat!

 

[Phoenix]

What makes you happy? Your hope that the APA will be the sole agent?

 
 

The knowledge that USAPA, the most costly failed experiment in aviation history, will soon be a bad memory makes me happy. It makes the a lot of people happy.

 
 
So, yes, you want the APA to be the sole agent.  They have a special place for you.  You'll like it!! 😀

 

[Phoenix]

Were you not supposed to have a DOH contract inside of 90 days back in 2008? How many more years were you on LOA93 until the APA gave you a raise...5+ MORE years?
 
Where is your DOH inclusive contract? Is that just right around the corner? My guess is, (and I'll bet money on this) that the APA is going to be your new union before you see a DOH JCBA covering the East and West.  According to court records, the APA plans on giving the West their own merger committee...do you think the arbitration panel is unaware of the last several years? Do you think that they'd agree that George Nicolau is a senile old fool?
 
No one has ever answered this question btw: Whom among the USAPA Grand Poohbahs is willing to risk a jail sentence to mis-appropriate union dues after USAPA is obviously NO LONGER A UNION? 😀

 
 
Everything is about a future change that will make you guys happy... and meanwhile we have had our DOH all along and now we have a pay raise too, not to even mention all the upgrades to the left seat, bigger airplanes, or block holders.    Go buy another tie.  🙂