2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

 
Why?  Because, westies, the APA will "clean your clock" with much more efficiency and aplomb than the relatively young USAPA might have done.
 
Happily, I will still be here to see the APA wipe the floor with you guys, and then shortly move myself on to my tropical island retirement.
 
Cheers!

The west has no friends at the APA although they like to think that, the west is stupid, they need to realize the APA will try to clean both our clocks but especially the west as they bring absolutely nothing to this merge.


This is going to be fun to watch!




"One of the four Leonidas LLC directors is apparently now employed as an American Airlines pilot;\

Having Kevin Horner associated in any way with this DFR only hurts the effort. How can he adequately meet the fiduciary requirements to fairly represent the class? Our sources have told us that Kevin Horners current union, the APA, is furious with him for his participation in a DFR suit against another union."

 

[luvthe9]

"As much as we all wish that there was a “merged seniority list” based on the NIC in place right now, the truth is: there isn’t. And a grievance isn’t going to answer that question, only a DFR lawsuit after the NIC is discarded. In fact, AWAPPA’s own attorney, Jeff Freund, said the Nicolau Award: “is in actuality the proposed pilot seniority list"




Listen to Jeff!

 

[luvthe9]

From an angry little boy..................






Dear Doug:

I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.

I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.

While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.

Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO

 

[nycbusdriver]

The west has no friends at the APA although they like to think that, the west is stupid, they need to realize the APA will try to clean both our clocks but especially the west as they bring absolutely nothing to this merge.


 

 
I agree with all of that.  The APA will try their best to screw both east and west, no doubt.  At least McC-B might slow them down.   But I am a relative short-timer and don't think the APA's antics will have a whole lot of impact on the time I have remaining. 
 
I won't even have to figure out the new PBS (thank God!)  But I am disappointed that it looks like the new uniforms will be delayed beyond the original May, 2016, date.  I was hoping to have the company buy me a complete (and expensive) set of brand new duds. Heck, I was even willing to put the new hat on for the first time in 10 years for my retirement flight!  (My current hat is also new...never been out of the box...probably doesn't even fit now that I am on the 330!)
 
 

This is going to be fun to watch!

 

 Oh, yes, indeed! I am stocking up on beer and popcorn just for the show.  At least I get to watch most of it with my east colleagues!
 
I will forego the butter, though.  I think I will offer it to the westicles to ease the pain.

 

[EastCheats]

Although I personally have no dog in this fight anymore, I am glad to see that we have the APA now representing us.
 
Why?  Because, westies, the APA will "clean your clock" with much more efficiency and aplomb than the relatively young USAPA might have done.
 
Happily, I will still be here to see the APA wipe the floor with you guys, and then shortly move myself on to my tropical island retirement.
 
Cheers!

Tropical island paradise

More like Staten Island. You'll be the guy sitting in his folding lawn chair yelling at people to stay off your lawn.

I look forward to Judge Conrad's clock cleaning of dues grabbing former officers of a decertified fake union.

Bio:
US Attorney
Conrad served as an assistant U.S. attorney for the Western District of North Carolina from 1989 to 2001.[3] He was promoted to U.S. Attorney in the same district from 2001 until 2005.[3]

As a U.S. attorney, he prosecuted cases of terrorism financing and campaign finance. Attorney General Janet Reno named Conrad as head of her campaign finance task force that investigated fund-raising improprieties during the 1996 U.S. election campaigns. He is best known for recommending an independent counsel be named to investigate then Vice President Al Gore.

 

[EastCheats]

USAPA would have never been elected the CBA had the Nicolau list been already active.  The entire dynamic would have been radically different, and "you won't get 200 cards" would likely have been prophetic, rather than conspicuously stupid.
 
But I am glad to be in another merger with USAPA, rather than ALPA, as my union.  At least USAPA has my interests as its focus, instead of ALPA's primary focus on protecting the Herndon dues trough.  (Ask the TWA pilots if they would have preferred an in-house union over ALPA when they faced the APA.)

How long have you and USAPA been merging? Did you have a falling out and merge again? Both of you can merge all you want in retirement for all I care

 

[nycbusdriver]

How long have you and USAPA been merging? Did you have a falling out and merge again? Both of you can merge all you want in retirement for all I care

 
That has got to be the dumbest, most senseless post here in quite a while.
 
Get help.  Really.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Tropical island paradise

More like Staten Island. You'll be the guy sitting in his folding lawn chair yelling at people to stay off your lawn.

 
It WON'T be a desolate sandbox, though. And, last time I checked, Staten Island is far north of the Tropic of Cancer.  My home, however, will be south of the Tropic.
 
You love to add that little "laugh" at the end of all your posts.  Is that like the canned laughter on sitcoms that are humorless?

 

[EastCheats]

That has got to be the dumbest, most senseless post here in quite a while.
 
Get help.  Really.

I was thinking the same thing about you.

"I am glad to be in another merger with USAPA,"

Are you related to Luv, who can't tell the difference between your and you're or the proper use of to or too?

 

[EastCheats]

It WON'T be a desolate sandbox, though. And, last time I checked, Staten Island is far north of the Tropic of Cancer.  My home, however, will be south of the Tropic.
 
You love to add that little "laugh" at the end of all your posts.  Is that like the canned laughter on sitcoms that are humorless?

I'm glad the annoys you. I'd use (mocking you dumba$$) if is too hard for you to understand.

Tell me you were not stupid enough to vote for Bill de Blasio or Hillary. That would be icing on the cake.

I'll make it just fof you if you did.

 

[Claxon]

Hey Claxon, I nominate you for the next Jackass award.

west pilots, I am merely the messenger quoting other west pilots. The Eye on Leonidas so to speak. You, yourselves have provided hundreds of documents.

 

[Claxon]

Guys, for the last year weve heard all the reasons why the Nicolau award is binding on the company and now binding on USAPA, even though it was done under ALPA Merger Policy. According to the TA:

IV. Seniority List Integration
A. The seniority lists of America West pilots and US Airways pilots will be integrated in accordance with ALPA Merger Policy and submitted to the Airline Parties for acceptance. The Airline Parties will accept such integrated seniority list, including conditions and restrictions, if such list and the conditions and restrictions comply with the following criteria:
1. no system flush whereby an active pilot may displace any other active pilot from the latters Position; and
2. furloughed pilots may not bump/displace active pilots; and
3. no requirement for pilots to be compensated for flying not performed (e.g., differential pay for a position not actually flown); and
4. allows pilots who, at the time of implementation of an integrated seniority list, are in the process of completing or who have completed initial qualification training for a new category (e.g., A320 Captain or 757 First Officer) to be assigned to the position for which they have been trained, regardless of their relative standing on the integrated seniority list; and
5. does not contain conditions and restrictions that materially increase costs associated with training or company paid moves.

U-Turn has always believed the NIC had to be accepted. The TA speaks for itself, or does it? Today, were not so sure. There was Doug Parkers statement in the Training Center on July 8th that he thought the NIC was negotiable (well see what happenswe wont draw line in the sand). That statement tracks with what our own Merger Attorney wrote in court-filed papers last summer. He said the company has no obligation to accept the Nicolau Award. Read the next paragraph from his response to last summers absurd East MEC Vs West MEC law suit. The East MEC was the plaintiff. Freunds reply to the East MEC lawsuit (emphasis added):

1.Thus, the arbitration award Plaintiffs purportedly seek to vacate is in actuality the proposed pilot seniority list developed through ALPAs Merger policy that ALPA will adopt as its bargaining position to be presented to the Company, but which (like a union bargaining position in any matter) the Company is not required to accept. Application, Ex.1 at 2,9 (ALPA will present to the company the merged seniority list developed through ALPAs Merger policy arbitration procedures, and ALPA will use all reasonable means at its disposal to compel the company to accept and implement the merged seniority list). Plaintiffs seek review of this ALPA bargaining position developed through ALPA Merger Policy, and, while couching it in the terms of vacating and arbitration, the relief they actually seek is a review of the product of ALPAs Merger Policy, and, ultimately, alteration of ALPAs bargaining proposal to the companyPlaintiffs Application to vacate an arbitration award that does not establish any enforceable seniority rights in a collective bargaining agreement with the Company, but which merely sets out ALPAs bargaining position to be presented to the company, is not a state law claim at all but rather an artfully pled Federal claim for breech of Duty of Fair Representation.

Our MECs merger (and now AWAPPAs) attorney said the NIC was in actuality the proposed seniority list developed through ALPAs Merger policy that ALPA will adopt as its bargaining position to be presented to the company, but whichthe company is not required to accept, that it is only a part of ALPA overall bargaining proposal, and that NIC does not establish any enforceable seniority rights in a collective bargaining agreement with the Company. The way we read the above is that since the Nicolau seniority list isnt enforceable on the company, the East had no right to challenge it last summer.

If you think were taking the above out of context, Google and read the entire response, prepared by West Merger Attorney. Case 1:07-cv-01309-EGS Document 1 Filed 07/24/2007 Freunds response for the West MEC is 125 pages, but the important pages are 3-6. They spell out exactly what our Merger attorney thinks about whether the company must accept the NIC. According to him, they dont.

There is no doubt at U-Turn that if the NIC Award is scrapped there will be a DFR lawsuit. In fact, U-Turn has long supported a DFR lawsuit if the NIC is gone. If for nothing else, we need to clear the air and exhaust all our legal options. USAPA has to be expecting a DFR as soon as theres a single contract dumping the NIC. Their expectations of winning are as high as ours. Unfortunately for us, the bar in winning a DFR is high. How could the Freund comments above help?

Before we raise the money to file that DFR lawsuit, the movers and shakers who plan on putting it together ought to reread what our own Merger Attorney said about whether the NIC was binding on the company. Those quotes above could come back to haunt us. Our own attorney cant have it both ways.

And when were deciding who to DFR, just remember this quote out of the ALPA Merger Policy Manual: ALPA will use all reasonable means at its disposal to compel the company to accept and implement the merged seniority list. Did they? With the way ALPA treated us, maybe we ought to give some real thought about who to DFR.

Dave Blomgren, for U-Turn


HOW COULD THE FREUND COMMENTS ABOVE HELP?
Take note APA Legacy AA pilots. Jeffrey Freund has made numerous statements referring to the NIC as MERELY A BARGAINING POSITION, NOT BINDING, AN ALPA AGREEMENT.
west pilots now employ Jeffrey Freund as merger attorney.

 

[EastCheats]

west pilots, I am merely the messenger quoting other west pilots. The Eye on Leonidas so to speak. You, yourselves have provided hundreds of documents.

I'm sure your house is quite the mess. I think hoarding is a mental disorder. 😉

There are ways to get help:

Stop Employees from Hoarding Electronic Documents
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Table of Contents
Introduction ................................................................................................................ 3
Understanding the "Save Everything" Culture ............................................................. 3
The Downside of Aggressive Deletion .................................................................................3
Why Hoarding is an End-User Problem ................................................................................4
Obstacles to Defensible Deletion ........................................................................................5
Stop Hoarding The Keys to Success ........................................................................... 5
Organizational Willpower ...................................................................................................6
Know What You Have .........................................................................................................6
Current Document Retention and Deletion Policies .............................................................6
Consistent Legal Hold Policies and Processes ......................................................................6
Records Management ........................................................................................................6
Keep It Simple for End-Users ..............................................................................................7
Apply Psychology and Technology ....................................................................................7
Auditing and Monitoring ....................................................................................................8

 

[Claxon]

I'm sure your house is quite the mess. I think hoarding is a mental disorder. 😉

Hardly a mess. All on my I pad. I concur with your opinion with regard to hoarding.

 

[EastUS1]

I'm sure your house is quite the mess. I think hoarding is a mental disorder. 😉

There are ways to get help:
 

 
Indeed there are. Some suggested reading:
 
http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/projection
 
http://www.lifescript.com/well-being/articles/p/psychological_projection_dealing_with_undesirable_emotions.aspx
 
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-psychological-projection.htm