2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Eastcheats
Cactuspilot1
SNAPTHIS
Answer this: should Legacy American Airlines Pilots furloughed at the time of merger announcement be placed below all working former america west pilots with no credit for LOS?

ANSWER PLEASE.

 

[nevergiveup]

Not to worry, APA will fully support the NIC! (and to think that they gave it away!)

 

[nevergiveup]

A bird in the hand is worth tw.................nevermind..............too late now. 

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
Pretty much nyc. I mostly waste time here in the apparently vain hopes of yet enticing some idiotic "spartan" umm..."hero" to accept my purely recreational/no radar/no missles/no guns/no "I want my Mommy! actually dying/all-for-fun-and-a-few-bucks aerial ...... they seem so truly pitiful and easily intimidated, but well...Just bored here....Who knows?...Clearly, the sorry likes of Cactus"pilot" and "EastCheats" are complete jokes, but just maybe they've got a real "spartan ringer" saved up somewhere....? 😉

 
Well? Do "you'se" mighty, "valor" soaked, "battle" tested "knights" and obviously "heroic" (just ask you'se) "spartans" with a self-proclaimed "lot of courage" of course, have at least even a reasonable excuse for a "Ringer" to bring forward?.....Just bored here....?
 
Can't "you'se" at least offer me up this "heroic" village idiot for some aerial laughs? That thing's own pathetic BS offers up that it was among "The Last Bush Pilots"...still NO? How 'bout widdle faiwy pwincess/"Supreme Commander" Fergie of your oh-so-twuwy-pwecious-widdle-"army" then?...? 😉
 
Don't blame me. "You'se" made yourselves pitiful creatures to only and always be properly laughed at:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U
 
 
Please be hugely offended or not as "you'se" wish, but c'mon widdle "spartan" kiddies, self-proclaimed agents of "courage", mighty "knights"/etc,.... I'm just totally bored with all of "you'se" here, and the wager's always open....? Well....?

 

[EastCheats]

Relax

Luv
Claxon

The Nicolau arbitration said those who were actively flying at the time of the acquisition in 2005, that pilots who were actively flying at the time of the merger should not be replaced with furloughed pilots. You installed an East Union and management, it is no suprise who got recalled and who was furloughed. The arbitration called for no windfalls, guess what you got your winfall already so don't expect and windfall with AA. History will show the airline which was hiring at the time of the acquisition (America West) stopped until the East pilots were recalled. West pilots got furloughed by their new East bosses. Parker was more than willing to use the services of pilots who decided to remain under bankruptcy wages so it is no surprise the East grew and the West shrunk. I did not see much help from USAPA other than helping themselves to all the benefits.

I guarantee you one thing, we'll be at the table, show the history and the impact on West pilots as a result of arbitration evasion. We've had a legal team in place for years, they know the opponent well. They are committed to seeing this process through to the end and will counter any attempts otherwise.

One other thing, you play like this is AA vs the former America West. Don't you have your own case to present? You need not concern yourself with our merger committee. Worry about your own merger committee.

The AA pilots need to watch you guys like an Eagle. Plug any escape routes in agreements made considering your history of evasion.

There's my answer.

Your toast. Your own legal team told you it's over.



This is going to be fun to watch. Gotta couple of PM's from AA guys waiting for your answer from Clax.

ANSWER PLEASE.

I read his answer, were you cooking breakfast? Your toast? I don't think he's missing any toast. You might want to ask your imaginary AA buddies if it's theirs.

 

[EastCheats]

Well? Do "you'se" mighty, "valor" soaked, "battle" tested "knights" and obviously "heroic" (just ask you'se) "spartans" with a self-proclaimed "lot of courage" of course, have at least even a reasonable excuse for a "Ringer" to bring forward?.....Just bored here....?
 
Can't "you'se" at least offer me up this "heroic" village idiot for some aerial laughs? That thing's own pathetic BS offers up that it was among "The Last Bush Pilots"...still NO? How 'bout widdle faiwy pwincess/"Supreme Commander" Fergie of your oh-so-twuwy-pwecious-widdle-"army" then?...? 😉
 
Don't blame me. "You'se" made yourselves pitiful creatures to only and always be properly laughed at:
 

 
 
Please be hugely offended or not as "you'se" wish.  The wager's always open.

Have you figured it out yet that you are the weirdo who nobody wants to play with? Challenge yourself by taking a break. Have your tried Golf? It's a game that is played outside your dark little room. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Have you figured it out yet that you are the weirdo who nobody wants to play with? Challenge yourself by taking a break. Have your tried Golf? It's a game that is played outside your dark little room. 😉

 
"...Clearly, the sorry likes of Cactus"pilot" and "EastCheats" are complete jokes, but just maybe they've got a real "spartan ringer" saved up somewhere....?"  Or possibly not, as it now seems.....
 
"Have you figured it out yet" that you're not even worth wiping my shoes off on?...Only laughable and pathetic excuse for a supposed "Pilot"? No big surprise that "you'se" dont want to "play with"...Imagine that folks? 😉
 
i suppose I must admire your remarkable social restraint here though...Many might "improperly" confuse such apparent grace with just plain Cowardice, when not even life/death is at stake....And we all know no "spartan soldier" could ever be an utter Coward...Right?
 
Still eagerly awaiting a "Ringer" from PHX...and, as previously posted; it clearly ain't "you'se", who are just a sorry joke/pathetic excuse for any supposed "Pilot". "You'se" may now resume "typing tough"....It's sadly all you could ever manage anyway.

 

[EastCheats]

It's going to be impossible to prevail with the FACT that you had over a thousand members, you got to bite, you had BPR members, etc. also ad up the FACT that you list the DFR and the pilots voted FOR THE MOU.....oh well. Just more reason why the pat raises you got are wasted. Wasted west lives and wasted west money. You can't fix stupid.
Oh, what makes you think that Marty and thise three idiots can't be sued?

Oh, the horror! Marty and "thise" three "idiots" can be sued?

I wonder what's taking so long? If they had a case, maybe? Could it be they realize there is no longer any income for USAPA LLC and they need to pay the legal bills piling up already? Cha-Ching!

 

[EastCheats]

I was thinking the same thing. I leave the room, lights go out and the rats come out. I see why Claxon wants to talk his nonsense. He likes distracting people like you and the rest of the dolts and claim victory. You have a lot more problems up ahead than a minus vote.
While you talk your nonsense the West is discussing the problems and enjoying the moment. I'm happy to share those comments with you (Claxon hates it) because he hates the truth. The truth of the matter is.....you've got big problems thanks to people like me who fund Leonidas to protect our careers against people like you. People with zero integrity. Money well spent.
Enjoy the read, losers:
There has been a civil lawsuit filed by 3 pilots against the USAPA principals, and that lawsuit will continue until there is a settlement or final judgment. What this means is that it is really up to the plaintiffs (Bollemeier, Parrot, and Tracey) to decide what terms they are willing to agree to in order to stop the lawsuit, and how much towel the defendants will have to throw in before we make the lawsuit stop
Nonetheless it places individuals in a position to have to defend THEMSELVES! They cannot not use Union dues.
Count 1 in our prayer for relief asks for a full accounting (which is our right), and a subsequent forensic examination of their books will certainly uncover this sort of illegal "reallocation" if it actually occurred. In that case, we would submit the evidence to the DOL and/or other enforcement agency for them to file criminal charges.
How about send them all to jail and enjoy some Bubba time.
So the financial threat to their personal assets is HUGE!
Correct. Remember that the LMRDA was a pretty staunch legislative measure designed to thwart union corruption, and it does to by placing alot of power in the hands of union members. You will never see more hand-wringing by union attorneys than when facing an LMRDA issue.
This lawsuit is brought under the LMRDA for violating that statute. Far more serious, and it has been approved by a judge to proceed
Rest assured those named defendants aren't sleeping well. There personal wealths are at stake for every penny they have spent in violation of the act. And, using Usapa treasury funds to defend themselves is prime fascia proof they are violating the act.
The consequence here is financial liability and legal defense costs to the individuals named.
That is correct, it is against all current and former officers and board members who voted in favor of not refunding dues money as per the constitution. They will not be able to use union money to pay for their defense, if that happens they will be liable for that much more
It warms my heart to see those yahoo's FINALLY being the ones running around with a target painted on their a**es
If these morons are convicted of criminal activity, can't they be terminated by the company? Hope they pay a hefty price for their behavior...all of them!
This is so worth my $200 a month...
That is great news about the case being reassigned to Judge Conrad!
And loved the part of the Judge's bio that he has experience in looking into both campaign financing and terrorism financing.
The Usapa officers ought to be worried!
No rubbernecking. I am stopping, getting a chair and a cooler. I want to watch the entire pending disaster without missing a second.
Let the show begin
Agreed. No way I'm just driving by this car wreck. I want to gawk

"There has been a civil lawsuit filed by 3 pilots against the USAPA principals, and that lawsuit will continue until there is a settlement or final judgment. What this means is that it is really up to the plaintiffs (Bollemeier, Parrot, and Tracey) to decide what terms they are willing to agree to in order to stop the lawsuit, and how much “towel” the defendants will have to throw in before we make the lawsuit stop"

Add a clause to those terms to include an apology to each of the Cactus 18 and their families.

"Count 1 in our prayer for relief asks for a full accounting (which is our right), and a subsequent forensic examination of their books will certainly uncover this sort of illegal "reallocation" if it actually occurred. In that case, we would submit the evidence to the DOL and/or other enforcement agency for them to file criminal charges."

I can see why they are avoiding the subject.

 

[EastUS1]

I can see why they are avoiding the subject.

 
"You'se" are a "subject" specimen fully suitable for laboratory study. Just a minor point of curiosity: Do "you'se" mighty "spartans" convene a socially supportive, communal cult circle-jerk every morning when you first wake up?...Or are the continuing delusions sufficient to at least start your day with?
 
Don't be intimidated kid. Never forget "you'se" are a mighty "spartan soldier", after all....While thousands of miles away; much better people than you will EVER be (or could ever even imagine) actually face death on a daily basis for America...well, at least you have your "heroic"...umm..what was it again?...Oh yes = Cactus 18 "bling"...Right?..."Hero"?
 
See again listings under not worth wiping my shoes off on.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
... as we prepare to finish our careers, but neither of us need really worry anymore about anything beyond little umbrellas in our tropical beverages...
 
 

 
No little umbrellas for me.  Though I will miss all the awesome German, Belgian and Irish fresh draft beers, I will happily enjoy my 40 cent San Miguels.  Of course, that's Happy Hour prices.  Normally they sell for about $1 a bottle, and they're  surprisingly good!
 
Of course, my taxi ride across town to the bar will run me 35 cents.  
 
Stocked up already on my dermatologist-recommended Eucerin Daily Protection SPF 30.
 
Life is good, and will soon be better!

 

[EastUS1]

 
No little umbrellas for me.  Though I will miss all the awesome German, Belgian and Irish fresh draft beers, I will happily enjoy my 40 cent San Miguels.  Of course, that's Happy Hour prices.  Normally they sell for about $1 a bottle, and they're  surprisingly good!
 
Of course, my taxi ride across town to the bar will run me 35 cents.  
 
Stocked up already on my dermatologist-recommended Eucerin Daily Protection SPF 30.
 
Life is good, and will soon be better!

 
 
Hmm..the San Miguels offer a ready "tell" as to your future home.  Ain't tellin' anyone else here though. Enjoy...and I can't blame you for your choice of future residence.
 
"Life is good, and will soon be better!" As it "forever" should be Brother....I like to think we've actually, against all odds perhaps, even honestly earned that by now. 🙂 I'll naturally and always, properly and humbly leave that personally arrogant presumption/BS to God's Judgement on a day-to-day basis though...There, but for a blood vessel more severely torn/no helmet taking the force of that bike crash/the F'n reserve 'chute finally opening/shells/that missle that missed/even just the slick spot stepping into the shower/whatever/etc, ad infinitum.....Meanwhile? Let's live large and "long", as least as is given to us, and love and party! 🙂

 

[Claxon]

Cactuspilot1: read carefully. This is your president of AAL in the article. As much FUD as you attempt to fling, the readers here have the opportunity to read THE TRUTH.


Kirby: We expect an AMR-US Airways merger to resolve our pilot seniority dispute


By Terry Maxon
tmaxon@dallasnews.com
11:36 am on May 17, 2012 | Permalink



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US Airways president Scott Kirby said Thursday that the airline believes a merger with AMR and American Airlines will help US Airways resolve the prolonged seniority dispute of pilots at US Airways.

Responding to a question at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch conference, Kirby talked about the dispute between pilots of US Airways and America West Airlines after the 2005 merger about how they would combine their seniority lists.

Here is his answer at the conference.

“Yeah. It’s ironic but the solution to that issue at US Airways I think it’s probably because we’re able to get this deal done. The area that people focus on the most is USAPA, our pilots’ union. In this case there is a huge benefit for our pilots in getting the deal done. They can go to the new contract at American, which is a very large pay raise for the US Airways pilots. So as I fly around the system, as I talk to the union leadership at USAPA, they want the deal to happen and they want us to get it done and they are working cooperatively with us and with APA to get the deal done.

“As to the seniority integration issue, I think this is the way out of the box for them. For those of you that follow the industry, there has been this seniority fight between the former US Airways and the former America West pilots. And as long as that seniority dispute is happening and isn’t resolved by a court, they really can’t negotiate a single agreement with the company because they can’t agree on what’s going to happen with seniority. And they are waiting for a court to answer that question for them.

“This is a way to start over and — not start over completely, but at least have a fresh beginning. Today, you know what, the analogy I use is that they painted themselves into a corner into a room, and neither side can compromise. This is a way to start the process over in a new integration.

“There is also federal legislation, the McCaskill-Bond legislation, which will mandate binding arbitration. So the plan in this case is that our union and APA combined will have a joint contract, and we will have that hopefully on the day we close the merger, assuming we do.

“That contract will be in place and so there will be a joint contract in place. And then more than likely the seniority issue will go through a process and ultimately get to arbitration. But because we will already have a joint contract in place, that arbitration will be binding. It will just get implemented.

“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.

“And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened.

“In this case, there’ll be a joint contract in advance, and the seniority integration will happen.

 

[Claxon]

And this is the CEO of AMERICAN AIRLINES. Readers, who is telling the truth? Parker and Kirby or Cactuspilot1? ( probably in actuality a 2004 hire)




November 11, 2008 (Q&A in Phoenix with Doug Parker)

Pilot: . . . . My question though is I was at the hearing for the furloughed guys and one of the possibilities they were discussing is moving 190s to the west and can’t do that. You know why.

Parker: Why

Pilot: Binding arbitration. So the company believes in binding arbitration. We have a binding arbitration for seniority. Does the company believe in binding arbitration or not?

Parker: The binding arbitration you’re talking about I think – I’m pretty sure what you are talking about – that was an ALPA process that resulted in binding arbitration. That wasn’t a company process. That’s ALPA to ALPA seniority integration that says if you can’t get it resolved we go to binding arbitration is ALPA policy not company policy. If the company’s in binding arbitration, yea we believe in binding arbitration.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
Hmm..the San Miguels offer a ready "tell" as to your future home.  Ain't tellin' anyone else here though. Enjoy...and I can't blame you for your choice of future residence.
 
 

 
Well, San Miguel is certainly not available in Staten Island for 40 cents at any time!  Nor the 35 cent taxi ride across town.
 
 

 
 Let's live large and "long", as least as given to us, love and party!  🙂

 
Amen, Brother!