2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Locked away on the island penal (pun indended) colony.
 
Gotta rent Papillon soon.

Looks like Eastcheats and Cactuspilot1, They look depressed.......oh well should have taken the NIC when offered, are you "any west pilot now"


"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now,"

 

[CAVOK]

I'll bet a baggage handler, flight attendant or a cleaner can help you navigate a discussion board. Obviously, the technology is well above your head.
 

Well, that would not be the first bet that you self-proclaimed "Spartans" have lost. I don't even know if the non-public APA password protected site exists. I would just welcome getting information and answers at a discussion board from some other professionals and not from the idiotic, sophomoric vitriol that you spew. 
 
The technology that I really care about at this point is the 330 and, yes, I am doing just fine on that, thank you. And us old guys, thirty plus years, are not about to relinquish our claim to the international, wide-body flying without a fight, especially to some new hire punk who signed on to a management acknowledged, failing, narrow body, one hub, airline in the desert on our country's southwest border.

 

[luvthe9]

 
The technology that I really care about at this point is the 330 and, yes, I am doing just fine on that, thank you. And us old guys, thirty plus years, are not about to relinquish our claim to the international flying without a fight, especially to some new hire punk who signed on to a management acknowledged, failing, narrow body, one hub, airline in the desert on our country's southwest border.

You might want to consider the 350, in school we were told the first 4 come towards the end of 2016.

 

[EastCheats]

Well, that would not be the first bet that you self proclaimed "Spartans" have lost. I don't even know if the APA password protected site exists. I would just welcome getting information and answers at a discussion board from some other professionals and not from the idiotic, sophomoric vitriol that you spew. 
 
The technology that I really care about at this point is the 330 and, yes, I am doing just fine on that, thank you. And us old guys, thirty plus years, are not about to relinquish our claim to the international flying without a fight, especially to some new hire punk who signed on to a management acknowledged, failing, narrow body, one hub, airline in the desert on our country's southwest border.

I've heard it before you are the International 330 Captain professionals, (yawn) and we are the punks in the desert. I've heard it over the years from the likes of your "professionals" like EastUS and your "professionals"' in court. I did not care what you thought of us years ago and I certainly don't care now.

I look forward to our legal team challenging your claim in arbitration. 😉

 

[A320 Driver]

You might want to consider the 350, in school we were told the first 4 come towards the end of 2016.

#1 comes April 2017

 

[luvthe9]

and we are the punks in the desert. I😉

But that's by your own choice, you to could have been the punks on the 330, but ..........



"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything…..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."

 

[luvthe9]

#1 comes April 2017

Told us 16 in class last month, either way good news.

 

[CAVOK]

I've heard it before you are the International 330 Captain professionals, (yawn) and we are the punks in the desert. I've heard it over the years from the likes of your "professionals" like EastUS and your "professionals"' in court. I did not care what you thought of us years ago and I certainly don't care now.

I look forward to our legal team challenging your claim in arbitration. 😉

I never said that the west pilots are punks and unprofessional. Don't put words in my mouth. I said that you (and your ilk for that matter) are sophomoric, new hire punks spewing vitriol with your foolish, jeering taunts, pejoratives, "lol"s, taunting and ridiculing icon, "yawn" comments, little smiley faces, and screen name. Your manner of expression seems to never have progressed past your high school years. It is an embarrassment. 
 
And if this has taken years, that is sort of the point. Every year spent with mediation and arbitration is a win and moves us closer to relinquishing our seats only through retirements and attrition. I look forward to another year spent in the SLI process and the no bump/displacement provision of the MOU.  

 

[FL430]

The sit in TLV, and theoretically in PHL, is why it requires two.  Each A330 can serve one city in Europe by itself, since it can theoretically stay on the same round-trip forever because it all takes place in a 24-hour clock.  Hence, one airplane.  The TLV trip requires a 48-hour clock (which allows for the stay at the gate in TLV) for one airplane to make TLV a second time.  Hence, two airplanes to serve a 48-hour cycle.  For example, Monday night at 21:15, a/c A leaves for TLV arriving on Tuesday 09:15 (EDT) in TLV.  A/c A sits a bit longer than 7 hours and leaves Tuesday afternoon at 16:30 (EDT) and is back on the ramp in PHL at 05:30 on Wednesday, making it available again (after a 9 hour plus sit)  to leave WEDNESDAY night for TLV.  Meantime, a/b B starts it's cycle on Tuesday night, and is back in PHL Thursday morning.  Two aircraft, not three.  What is actually does during the theoretical 9 hour sit in PHL is irrelevant to the discussion of what it takes to serve TLV.  It can, and does, often do a round-trip to the islands or Mexico rather than sit for 9 hours, but that has no effect on it heading back to TLV that night.

Ok here's what you are not getting. This was a new aircraft type in early 2009. They (A330-200) mostly did CDG prior to July 2009 when PHL - TLV started. So the A330-300 could not do TLV without a fuel stop, with me so far? Reliability testing was done during this time and proving flights ( as well as reliability data supplied by Airbus). You don't start a long range flight for which you don't have a substitute aircraft for because you have taken a lot of money from folks purchasing tickets on the TLV route. If you have an aircraft hiccup, maintenance, aircraft damage, or whatever, you have no way to accommodate the passengers. Your reputation is then ruined and people will not book your flights after poor or nonexistent performance. Consider if the A330-200 damaged aircraft in CLT had happened on July 2 2009? What would you do then? The flights are too long with too much ground sit time to run a reliable operation with just two aircraft. Operational reliability studies were done and the decision of starting service to TLV in July 2009 were based on studies that indicated more than two aircraft would be required to maintain acceptable reliability of operations. The third aircraft was often flown PHL - SJU or to PHL -CDG ( somewhere that it could be pulled from in case of maintenance required ) and then an 330-300 substituted for those flights. You don't start a new ultra long range operation without some type of reliability program as plan B. Unless of course you don't care about reliability concerns. Now we have many 330-200s that can easily be swapped around in case of maintenance outages, but you still need 3 airframes to run a reliable operation.

 

[EastCheats]

I never said that the west pilots are punks and unprofessional. Don't put words in my mouth. I said that you (and your ilk for that matter) are sophomoric, new hire punks spewing vitriol with your foolish, jeering taunts, pejoratives, "lol"s, taunting and ridiculing icon, "yawn" comments, little smiley faces, and screen name. Your manner of expression seems to never have progressed past your high school years. It is an embarrassment. 
 
And if this has taken years, that is sort of the point. Every year spent with mediation and arbitration is a win and moves us closer to relinquishing our seats only through retirements and attrition. I look forward to another year spent in the SLI process and the no bump/displacement provision of the MOU.

OK, would I be putting words in your mouth if you used the term, self-proclaimed Spartans. That would be plural, pertaining to more than one? How about a bag smasher are you talking about one bag smasher in particular or do you look down on baggage handlers as a group?

Bag smashers and Spartans everywhere applaud your arrogance.
 
Hey look, no smiley, just picture a golf clap.

 

[A320 Driver]

Ok here's what you are not getting. This was a new aircraft type in early 2009. They (A330-200) mostly did CDG prior to July 2009 when PHL - TLV started. So the A330-300 could not do TLV without a fuel stop, with me so far? Reliability testing was done during this time and proving flights ( as well as reliability data supplied by Airbus). You don't start a long range flight for which you don't have a substitute aircraft for because you have taken a lot of money from folks purchasing tickets on the TLV route. If you have an aircraft hiccup, maintenance, aircraft damage, or whatever, you have no way to accommodate the passengers. Your reputation is then ruined and people will not book your flights after poor or nonexistent performance. Consider if the A330-200 damaged aircraft in CLT had happened on July 2 2009? What would you do then? The flights are too long with too much ground sit time to run a reliable operation with just two aircraft. Operational reliability studies were done and the decision of starting service to TLV in July 2009 were based on studies that indicated more than two aircraft would be required to maintain acceptable reliability of operations. The third aircraft was often flown PHL - SJU or to PHL -CDG ( somewhere that it could be pulled from in case of maintenance required ) and then an 330-300 substituted for those flights. You don't start a new ultra long range operation without some type of reliability program as plan B. Unless of course you don't care about reliability concerns. Now we have many 330-200s that can easily be swapped around in case of maintenance outages, but you still need 3 airframes to run a reliable operation.

I don't think they worry about reliability as much as you think. July 2, 2009, we had two A-330-200 aircraft, 279 and 280. They sent 279 to SJU that day. 280 flew TLV without a backup and without ACARS. It was also the ETOPS certification flight. Two A-330s serviced TLV, RIO & GRU each. A third airplane is nice, but not essential.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Told us 16 in class last month, either way good news.

 
The absolute most unreliable source of information of that type comes from the school house.  Has been that way for the 35+ years I have been here.  

 

[nycbusdriver]

I never said that the west pilots are punks and unprofessional. Don't put words in my mouth. I said that you (and your ilk for that matter) are sophomoric, new hire punks spewing vitriol with your foolish, jeering taunts, pejoratives, "lol"s, taunting and ridiculing icon, "yawn" comments, little smiley faces, and screen name. Your manner of expression seems to never have progressed past your high school years. It is an embarrassment. 
 
And if this has taken years, that is sort of the point. Every year spent with mediation and arbitration is a win and moves us closer to relinquishing our seats only through retirements and attrition. I look forward to another year spent in the SLI process and the no bump/displacement provision of the MOU.  

 
 
Well stated.  Exactly correct.  The more delay, the better for everybody, especially for those pros trying to keep their desert kingdom all for themselves.

 

[luvthe9]

The absolute most unreliable source of information of that type comes from the school house.  Has been that way for the 35+ years I have been here.

Can't say I disagree with you.

 

[luvthe9]

Well stated.  Exactly correct.  The more delay, the better for everybody, especially for those pros trying to keep their desert kingdom all for themselves.

Let's hope TWA does their magic, the APA is in no hurry either it seems, It would be great to tie this deal up for another 5 years at least.