2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Still did not answer the question.......



I don't get it we offered you what you wanted, the NIC and you turn it down, how is that a dirty deal? I bet any west pilot would think that offer looks like a home run.

Well.............

 

[luvthe9]

At least they were hiring. How many new hire classes did Useless Air have in 2004? 😉http://www.hark.com/clips/sfpbhcvhzh-jeopardy-theme

Sure you guys are on a roll, looks like, how many positions went to PHX last year? You moving right on up, face it you idiots made the wrong choice and you need to take RESPONSIBILITY for you stupidity.


And don't foget without "Useless Air". You would be on the street, we saved you from Project Zanzibar.




Project Zanzibar
At the May 9 session of the Joint Negotiating Committee, Scott Kirby, President of the Company, revealed to the assembled representatives of both pilot groups and ALPA National that he had headed a project code-named Project Zanzibar for AW in 2005 and that the legal papers for a Chapter 11 filing had been prepared and a plan developed for AWs bankruptcy in the event that the merger failed to come to fruition. Project Zanzibar was AWs only Plan B. It is now beyond dispute that the junior AW pilot, Dave Odell, and 300-400 other AW F/Os hired in 2002-05 would have been furloughed absent the US merger, as AW went into Chapter 11, perhaps never to emerge. In light of this new disclosure from the carriers President



Fixed it!

 

[EastCheats]

Sure you guys are on a roll, looks like, how many positions went to PHX a last year? You moving right on up, face it you idiots made the wrong choice and you need to take RESPONISABILTY for you stupidity.

How do you spell responsibility? There is a big clue. Think hard. 😉

http://www.hark.com/clips/sfpbhcvhzh-jeopardy-theme

 

[EastCheats]

Figure it out yet Luv?

 

[luvthe9]

Figure it out yet Luv?

Sure, your stuck in PHX for years while the the rest of us grow, but hey that was your choice.

 

[EastCheats]

Sure, your stuck in PHX for years while the the rest of us grow, but hey that was your choice.

Your stuck.

Still having problems with basic grammar, I see.

Did you fill out your Airways app with Crayons?

Time for another one of your "fixes"

 

[CactusPilot1]

Sure, your stuck in PHX for years while the the rest of us grow, but hey that was your choice.

It was your bad choices that kept you in court. Leonidas can keep pounding your side until you get the picture. You cashed your lottery ticket. Enjoy your stagnation, because that's where this thing is going until all the stolen upgrades are accounted for. We are headed for arbitration the West pilots have a committee and the Nicolau list will be presented. You don't have the numbers to throw the APA off the property to cheat another process. Please bring Jess back to dazzle the panel with his arbitration skills. We'll bring the work of a respected arbitrator.

 

[A320 Driver]

Ah yes, the NIC dream sheet. Everything about your post is predictable EXCEPT the outcome.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Ah yes, the NIC dream sheet. Everything about your post is predictable EXCEPT the outcome.

Go ahead and tell the arbitration panel that the work of another arbitrator is a dream sheet.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Hey just read the last APA PHX update, LMFAO, still can't stop laughing, you pilots in PHX must be really special,! I guess those 10 pilots flying EAST with their AWA DOH are on the attrition train next stop 2019? With luck!

 

[CactusPilot1]

Hey just read the last APA PHX update, LMFAO, still can't stop laughing, you pilots in PHX must be really special,! I guess those 10 pilots flying EAST with their AWA DOH are on the attrition train next stop 2019? With luck!

I also enjoyed seeing Bob Frear's fear of arbitration and lack of confidence in the USAPA LLC update.....


As many know, up until now I have been an ardent supporter of the Merger Committee. I have gone on record as having Ultimate Confidence in the committee. I helped pass resolutions giving them a degree of autonomy so as to not be influenced by any one seniority group. Over the last six months I have watched what at first was a fairly solid Protocol Agreement become watered down to a document that I believe essentially does one thing; allow a process that basically guarantees a West Merger Committee. Let me state for the record that I want all pilots at US Airways and American Airlines to be treated fairly in the seniority process. You could make a valid argument that it is hypocritical to say that APA would not treat us fairly if they solely represented us in seniority talks but USAPA could fairly represent the West in the same talks. I get it, but the Nicolau Award presents a different dynamic. Given the chance to stand before an arbitration panel as a full participant and present their case to implement the Nic, or a close substitute based on the argument that it was previously awarded by an arbitrator, is a potentially career ending chance that we cannot accept. Although we have won numerous court cases rejecting the Nic, arbitration is different and uncertain. The rules of law that apply to the decision making process of courts do not apply to arbitration. If there had not been a Nicolau Award I would have no problem with a West Merger Committee. In fact I would embrace it!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Go ahead and tell the arbitration panel that the work of another arbitrator is a dream sheet.

 
Parker and Kirby seem to understand it that way.  Do you think they're stupid?  Do you think the arbitrators are too stupid to understand the contractual and legal differences that Parker and Kirby repeatedly point out to you PHX idiots?

 

[CactusPilot1]

Parker and Kirby seem to understand it that way.  Do you think they're stupid?  Do you think the arbitrators are too stupid to understand the contractual and legal differences that Parker and Kirby repeatedly point out to you PHX idiots?

No, I think you are stupid for suggesting that P&K care one way or another how the SLI turns out. All they did was take advantage of your side which was willing to live off of bankruptcy wages and allow them to profit from your stupidity.

Idiot(s)

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I also enjoyed seeing Bob Frear's fear of arbitration and lack of confidence in the USAPA LLC update.....
As many know, up until now I have been an ardent supporter of the Merger Committee. I have gone on record as having Ultimate Confidence in the committee. I helped pass resolutions giving them a degree of autonomy so as to not be influenced by any one seniority group. Over the last six months I have watched what at first was a fairly solid Protocol Agreement become watered down to a document that I believe essentially does one thing; allow a process that basically guarantees a West Merger Committee. Let me state for the record that I want all pilots at US Airways and American Airlines to be treated fairly in the seniority process. You could make a valid argument that it is hypocritical to say that APA would not treat us fairly if they solely represented us in seniority talks but USAPA could fairly represent the West in the same talks. I get it, but the Nicolau Award presents a different dynamic. Given the chance to stand before an arbitration panel as a full participant and present their case to implement the Nic, or a close substitute based on the argument that it was previously awarded by an arbitrator, is a potentially career ending chance that we cannot accept. Although we have won numerous court cases rejecting the Nic, arbitration is different and uncertain. The rules of law that apply to the decision making process of courts do not apply to arbitration. If there had not been a Nicolau Award I would have no problem with a West Merger Committee. In fact I would embrace it!

. It is Funny you bring up BF , he does not even know the merger committees proposal , but yet he doesn't support them, just my guess but he is a little upset, him and ciabottoni, can't give that position away, to their buddy Koontz. But anyway what is he afraid of , like one attorney said to me," how can we do worse than that in court!" I am sorry time for a little faith in our new team!

 

[luvthe9]

It was your bad choices that kept you in court............

Hardly son, more like yours not accepting the NIC when offered to you, you keep draining your family's funds, Marty needs a new car.


Was it you that made the decision not to take the NIC when offered, tell us what idiot made that fatal error.