2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Just relax Davey boy, you be fine stuck in PHX for a few more years if not more.



Everyone knows you're a desperate old man and a liar.


Remember YOU chose this path..........


Now come on give us a big smile!

 

[Phoenix]

How many revisions are we going to have as the company tries to find their way to the promised land of TPS a la American nirvana?  The never ending changes are getting really old. 

 

[luvthe9]

"ALPAs lawyers knew the list was negotiable, but they never told either rank and file. We attended last summers ALPA road shows in PHX, starring Paul Rice and a cast of ALPA attorneys. Did ALPA ever hint that the NIC was negotiable? We believe it was for fear of fanning the flames and drawing more support for USAPA that Herndon kept that from us. They did tell all the Wye River attendees the reality. One side listened, the other didnt



Your side didn't listen Davey boy!




"U-Turn: Taking Responsibility According to our reports, on Day One of Wye River, Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. ALPA's lawyers knew the list was negotiable, but they never told either rank and file"

 

[cactusboy53]

Hang in there Liar, it will be over before you know it. Big smiles!!

 

[luvthe9]

Hang in there Liar, it will be over before you know it. Big smiles!!

Still on fantasy island, it is over "liar" you will never have the NIC, enjoy that summer heat in PHX,



Big smiles Davey boy.

 

[Phoenix]

Still on fantasy island, it is over "liar" you will never have the NIC, enjoy that summer heat in PHX,



Big smiles Davey boy.

 
They are starting to use the "scab" word again on C&R.   And they are warning the LAA guys about overplaying their hand.  
 
"Oblivious" is todays word.  

 

[luvthe9]

They are starting to use the "scab" word again on C&R.   And they are warning the LAA guys about overplaying their hand.  
 
"Oblivious" is todays word.

The APA guys are really getting fed up with the arrogance and sense of entitlement of the westies, (something we are all use to) I hope they keep it up.

 

[cactusboy53]

The APA guys are really getting fed up with the arrogance and sense of entitlement of the westies, (something we are all use to) I hope they keep it up.

Funny. I showed a couple the Anderson "Manifesto". After they read the 3+ pages of utter crap, they called it exactly that. I believed there was commentary about how you fellas espoused such an attitude of entitlement.

Hang in there Dorothy, it's gonna be EPIC!

 

[Phoenix]

Funny. I showed a couple the Anderson "Manifesto". After they read the 3+ pages of utter crap, they called it exactly that. I believed there was commentary about how you fellas espoused such an attitude of entitlement.
Hang in there Dorothy, it's gonna be EPIC!

Anderson isn't a rep or member of the committee is he... Figure it out.

 

[snapthis]

Funny. I showed a couple the Anderson "Manifesto". After they read the 3+ pages of utter crap, they called it exactly that. I believed there was commentary about how you fellas espoused such an attitude of entitlement.
Hang in there Dorothy, it's gonna be EPIC!

The letter reflects the attitudes I see here. No doubt. First we get a letter from the court that letters like this are inappropriate. Then the arbitrators recently sent a similar warning. Coincidence?

"Also, the arbitrators have advised APA that communications to the panel by non-parties are not appropriate and will not be given consideration by the panel. The arbitrators will not read any communications received from individual pilots or from non-party groups of pilots. Do not communicate directly with the arbitration panel."

Senior Judge Roslyn O. Silver
United States District Court
Sandra Day O'Connor U.S. Courthouse, Suite 624
401 West Washington Street, SPC 59
Phoenix, AZ 85003-2158

Dear Senior Judge Silver:
It's never been clear to me what a Judge's job is: to apply intellect, scholarly knowledge and
precedent to cases at hand in order to render a scientifically and legally correct verdict, or
to do justice. Or perhaps it is some combination of the two. In a perfect world of course one
would do both simultaneously. But I venture to guess that since our world is imperfect, that
is why your job is such a difficult one. Ajob that one doesn't come by easily.
Though I wouldn'tdare'co'mparemyselfwithsomeone of your credentials and a'U.S; Senate
confirmation no less.Lean fairly say that I did l1otcomebymyjobeasiIy either; '; ,
To (getmyjob I had to have a spotless record, a four-year degree or higher; uncorrected
20/20 visionandabout'Ifl years of applicable experience. Once I'met those qualifications I
felt lucky when I was invited to travel across the countrythree different times for three
succeeding interviews that included challenging written tests, medical and psychological
evaluations, on the job operational testing, verbal quizzing and testing and other extensive
screenings culminating in a very stressful board interview, Only about one out of seven
invitees to the initial interviews ultimately received an offer of employment.
When I accomplished all of this'and was hired for lily dream job at the relatively young age
of 28 I was thrilled. It was reflected by those who surrounded me, who all had to go
through the same selection process. And it was reflected by the career that lay ahead of us.
We all had gotten a job where we worked under one of the leading contracts in the industry
with some of the highest levels of compensation, an outstanding retirement program and
the best training, professional envir-onment and work rules in the industry.
We all looked forward to our defined benefit retirement plan that provided us with a
guaranteed lifetime annuity 'of over $10,000per inonth for life beginning at age 60, or
under many-circumstances a lump sum payment of just over one million dollars:
We werethe bestof the'best andWere compensated accordingly, Formermilitary officers
consisting of commanders, fighter and transport pilots and educated, refined, credentialed,
experienced and carefully selected civilians. We were, and still are, the Sully's of aviation:
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just the kind of person you want in the cockpit of the airliner you're flying on when the
chips are down.
These criteria and compensation levels applied to all three of the legacy airlines that had
come together to form U.S. Airways: Pacific Southwest Airlines (where Sully came from),
Piedmont Airlines where I was hired in 1989, and USAir, with roots back to the original Air
Mail service in the 1930's.
I don't know whether or not you're a fan of baseball but I feel comfortable saying with
some certainty that when a kid is growing up and wants to be a baseball player he doesn't
say "When I grow up I want to play for the Reno Aces!" No, s/he wants to play for the
Arizona Diamondbacks, the San Francisco Giants or the New York Yankees. Not the Fresno
Grizzlies or the Wilkes Barre Rail Riders.
I mention this, much of which you likely already know, because I also have a unique
perspective of America West Airlines: Through a provision of the Transition Agreement I
was one of only 5 "East" pilots who ended up flying out of Phoenix in the former America
West system between December 2007 and August 2008. And let me tell you, it was not
what I was used to!
As it is in baseball, so it is also with the airlines. Nobody with my qualifications aspired to
become a pilot for America West. Rather, the pilots of America West ended up there after
not making the cut at American, Delta, Northwest, United, USAir, PSA, Piedmont or the
other top-tier legacy airlines. I accurately felt that I had temporarily been "sent down" to
AAA from my spot in the major leagues.
All of a sudden I was flying with a group of rag-tag pilots who by their standards, had hit
the big-time and were flying jet airliners. Few, (26%, I am told) had a four-year degree.
Many wore thick glasses and many were quite overweight. Rather than officers, the
military veterans were former load-masters, landing signal officers and other noncommissioned
officers. And the core group who helped to get the airline up and running in
the 1980's were former strike-breakers from the big 1983 strike at Continental Airlines.
Even my simulator training instructor was second-tier. He was an 83 year old subcontractor
in a polo shirt and khakis, not a suit-clad check airman who was a manager in
the flight operations department at a major airline like I was used to.
The same standard held true for their fleet and working conditions. The America West
pilots had no retirement program besides a 401(k), worked to the limits permitted by
regulation and even had a joke about the airplanes they flew. It was "We had a
standardized fleet. Until we got our second airplane." It too was a rag-tag collection of used
and lease-returned airplanes. Never once did a shiny new plane make its way from the
factory straight on over to Phoenix. (Standardization in the cockpit is a hallmark of safety,
and identical cockpits like we had on every single airplane in the East were a rarity on the
West fleet.)
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Upon consummation of the merger the former America West flight operations department,
including all of flight training and standards, was gutted and replaced in its entirety by the
East flight operations department. And the fleet was upgraded. All of the old 737's were
replaced by brand new A-321's and every other airplane was upgraded and retrofitted to
meet the standards of our top-tier airline.
While I was there, America West had its very best pilot contract ever while U.S. Airways
had its absolute worst, after two bankruptcies. Ironically these two contracts were pretty
much the same when it came to total compensation.
I can't tell you how thrilled the five of us East pilots flying in the West were when we got to
return to the East in October, 2008 when the America West Las Vegas base was closed and
Phoenix pilots were furloughed.
Since then and with time it has become increasingly clear that the value of the U.S. Airways
franchise is in the East. Unlike the five of us East pilots who got stuck in the West for a short
time five years ago, today the twenty or so West Pilots who have been flying in the East for
the last severa/years are fighting tooth and nail to not have to go back to the West.
Meanwhile, shiny new Airbuses, including brand new wide-bodies continue to be delivered
to the East as classes of 20 new-hire pilots per month come to the East month after month.
And the East continues to add new international destinations such as Istanbul, Athens and
Edinburgh.
For the old America West, how likely would a merger with American Airlines have been
without U.S. Airways? Please forgive me if I sound like a snob but it is true: Never in their
wildest dreams did a single America West pilot ever think he would be flying brand new
wide-body aircraft to Europe while making $200,000 a year. But now they can.
Why am I telling you all of this? Perhaps I sound entitled. I love to root for the underdog.
But I can tell you this for certain: I earned my job to be with the best of the best when I was
hired in 1989. And I guarantee that anyone of the current West pilots would have accepted
my job offer on the date I got it over the one that they have now if they could have gotten it.
But they couldn't.
If you think it's fair to take a kid who was sitting in new-hire ground school at America
West in 2005 while I had 16 years of service flying in the East and put him over 300
seniority numbers ahead of me, then implement the Nicolau Award.
If you think it's fair to take an America West pilot who started at that airline 10 years after I
was flying at U.S. Airways, who couldn't make the cut at USAir, Piedmont, PSA, American,
Delta or United and make him a wide body captain flying to Europe while simultaneously
making me his career co-pilot, then implement the Nicolau Award.
To be blunt, with the formation of the new American Airlines the pilots of the East and the
pilots at American will be getting the career they qualified for, earned and expected. And
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the pilots of the West will be getting a payday, bonus and career beyond their wildest
expectations. I would hope that that would be enough.
But ifnot, then implement the Nicolau and staple me and my peers behind each and every
one of them.
If that's fair though, I'd have to think that it would be equally fair to place a career Ex Parte
or Municipal Court Judge directly into Federal District Court, while giving him/her
immediate senior status and waiving the Senate confirmation requirements in the process.
Thank you for your consideration,
Sincerely,

- James H. Anderson

 

[Phoenix]

Anderson isn't a rep or member of the committee is he... Figure it out.

 
 

The letter reflects the attitudes I see here. ....

Dear Senior Judge Silver:
...
Sincerely,

- James H. Anderson

 
 
You didn't figure it out.  

 

[snapthis]

 
 
 
 
You didn't figure it out.  

 
I have figured "youse" out.
 
shift·y

ˈSHiftē/

 

adjective
informal

adjective: shifty; comparative adjective: shiftier; superlative adjective: shiftiest

1. 
   
   
   
   
   (of a person or their manner) appearing deceitful or evasive.
   "a shifty, fast-talking lawyer"
   
   
   synonyms:
   
   devious, evasive, slippery, duplicitous, false, deceitful, underhanded, untrustworthy, dishonest, shady, wily, crafty, tricky, sneaky, treacherous, artful, sly, scheming, snide;
   
   
   informalhinky
   "he had a shifty look about him"
   
   
   
   
    
   
   
   
   
   

 

 

[CactusPilot1]

The APA guys are really getting fed up with the arrogance and sense of entitlement of the westies, (something we are all use to) I hope they keep it up.

Grasp at straws much?

The C&R's are not going to influence the outcome of SLI.

 

[cactusboy53]

Do you people not own a calculator?  I posted this on C&R (Gee, I really hope that I didn't come off as an entitled ICEHOLE) in response to Commander Steven Grief:
 

Steven Greif said:The guy senior to me on the NIC was in kindergarden when I was hired with Piedmont as a 727 FE in 1987. They are way younger in PHX, I think, and they want every widebody seat out there. IMHO, of coarse.

You know Steven, you would sound LOADS more intelligent if you would at least research and/or tell the truth when you step up to the key board.
 
I believe that it was said somewhere that the FORMER AWA pilots (because we are all now LUS pilots) were on average 5-6 years younger (vs. "way younger").
 
Ed White is the pilot that is senior to you on the Nicolau Seniority List. Ed was born in 1970 (so, he wasn't in Kindergarten as you claim...or if he was he was a very slow learner), and was about 17 years of age when you were hired at the "ripe old" age of 27. To be exact, Ed is only 9 years and 3 months younger than you.
 
You know, I heard the other day that the guy junior to me on the Nicolau List is an OLD FART and uses VIAGRA to "help out". Do you know what those two scenarios have to do with the Nicoalu Seniority List? Absolutely NOTHING.
 
We (US Air, America West Airlines and the management of the New US Airways) made an agreement to participate in and abide by the arbitration process and the product of that process.
 
Your group has FORCED the former AWA pilots (because we are ALL now Legacy US Airways pilots) to defend our legal rights (paying our own legal bills), and our "union" has done EVERY SINGLE DIRTY TRICK in the book to persecute us, prosecute us, and deny us FAIR REPRESENTATION.
 
Don't worry Steven, the courts have always gotten it. They will now move forward with the 9th's blessing.
 
Your buddy Dave.

 

[cactusboy53]

Sometimes you guys make this SO easy.