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luvthe9 said:
Ah yes, the Rev. Dave Simmions lying to his flock telling them the NIC was not offered to them at Wye River when in fact everyone knows it was.
 
You are a liar.
 
Furlough by LOS was not the Nicolau Award.
 
Why wouldn't the West jump at the chance to furlough all their F/Os and some Captains before the first East pilot hit the street? :lol:
 
traderjake said:
You are a liar.
 
Furlough by LOS was not the Nicolau Award.
 
Why wouldn't the West jump at the chance to furlough all their F/Os and some Captains before the first East pilot hit the street? :lol:


Still afraid to upgrade, the bid is out.


Make your pappy proud, I'm sure he's happy your right down there at the scab level.
 
 
"William Stokes
From: Flyzalot99@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:59 PM
To: U-Boston-Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Subject: The "comprehensive proposal"
Page 1 of 1
5/9/2007
Boston Pilots,
I just received a cursory phone debrief from the company's proposal. All I can say is that
I'm glad that management indicated that they would take it to the pilots themselves. Please
make every effort to attend their presentations as they try to negotiate around your MEC. A
word of caution though, there will probably be metal detectors at every entrance.
I am having a hard time finding the proper words to describe the detachment from reality that
is pervasive in management's thought process. Kirby tried the tired old carrot of a few
wide bodies and new international destinations as something that would make us accept this
latest insult. Everything else is garbage wrapped around a complete surrender of our
Section 1,Scope protection. Kirby repeatedly stated that continued industry consolidation
was the path to success. (Any ideas as to whose success he was thinking about? All
their stock options obviously have impaired their cognitive abilities). Now you know the
real story.
I won't bother you with the rest of the details, because I just start fuming as I read my
notes. Although Garland is not available, and I hesitate to speak for him now, I'll simply
repeat remarks that he has made on multiple occasions. We will settle for nothing less than
an industry leading contract,........... and this "comprehensive proposal" is not even in the
same area code."
 
APA inherits the above ALPA US Airways JCBA line in the sand vs Kirby proposal.
 
 
MEC NewsDirect
 
January 31, 2008
 
A AAA/AWA Joint Chairman's message has been emailed to pilots and posted
under What's New. The text of the letter is below:
 
AAA-AWA MEC Joint Chairman’s Message
 
January 31, 2008
 
Fellow America West and US Airways pilots,
 
Today, the AAA and AWA Steering Committees and their respective merger and
negotiating teams will begin talks about the issues separating our pilot groups in
order to produce a comprehensive contract counterproposal for both MECs to
review. As we have said in the past, any comprehensive proposal must adequately
address seniority implementation issues and all open JNC issues for both pilot
groups.
 
The Steering Committees are meeting at a neutral site, and to give this process
the best chance for success, both sides have agreed to a communications blackout
during this time. As a result of this policy, our pilots should understand that any
hearsay information floating around is unsubstantiated, and should be treated as
rumor only.
 
If the AAA and AWA Steering Committees are able to successfully produce a
comprehensive contract counterproposal, it will first be reviewed by both MECs. If
both MECs approve the final product, JNC negotiations would resume with
management as we counter the infamous “Kirby proposal” that we received on
May 8, 2007.

 
If a TA is achieved through joint negotiations and is subsequently approved by
both MECs it will be sent to each pilot group for ratification. The rank and file
members of this union will be the ultimate arbiters of any agreement.
There is much at stake here for both pilot groups. None of your union volunteers
takes the challenges ahead of us lightly. Your MEC leadership and the Steering
Committees all appreciate your patience while we work through these very
difficult issues.
Fraternally,
Captain Jack Stephan
Chairman, AAA MEC
Captain John McIlvenna
Chairman, AWA MEC
 
 
From: ciaalpa@comcast.net Reply-To: AAA041-Fastread@mail.alpamail.org
 
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:07:26 +0000 Ladies and Gentlemen of Council #41,
 
Thank you for your nomination and election as your Interim Captain Rep last Thursday at our meeting at the Lagoon. The numbers were very small and disappointing to me and I want you to know that I consider it no mandate. I will need all of your help in representing you as you feel you deserve and leading in the direction you feel is appropriate for the situation. Please do not hesitate to contact me on any matter moving forwar d. My last communication to you has been pointed out to have a cut and copy error in it as the Resolution #153B: ALPA's resolution to think about actions concerning the Hemmenway Letter was copied twice. In order to reduce the confusion here they both are again. The one I characterized as from a Rep. who has no intention of doing anything is Resolution #153A. By the way this characterization was made before this rep. actually voted against his own resolution! Agenda item _153a___ Title: Contract Negotiations Mover: Swiatkowski/ WHEREAS Gerrold Glass has presented the JNC with a letter from Mr. Hemmenway dated _________, which in effect neuters any prospective post-bankruptcy gains to any combined merged pilot agreement, and WHEREAS, in said letter, the company declares that closed sections are not really closed if the Association presents other sections that affect the economic impact of the com pleted agreement, and WHEREAS, in said letter, the company reserves a right to impose the US Airways CBA if it deems a new agreement is not reached in a timely manner, or absent the same cost structure as the US Airways CBA, and WHEREAS, the US Airways pilots expect that their enormous sacrifices, which saved the company during bankruptcy, would be rewarded and partially restored in a post-bankruptcy environment, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the MEC withdraws its JNC members from further meetings with the company and terminate any further discussions until such time
as said letter is retracted, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the MEC clearly express and management acknowledge expectations of increased returns in the combined agreement, for any negotiations to resume. BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED, that the America West MEC shall be encouraged to endorse an equivalent resolution from their pilots. THE MOVER / AUTHOR VOTED AGAINST HIS OWN RESOLUTION! The Resolution which passed was offered by ALPA National, authored by Bruce York, is Resolution #153B This is the second resolution from ALPA National which has every intention of doing nothing! AI 05-153b Contract Negotiations Motion: Swiatkowski/Svendsen WHEREAS the Company wrote ALPA on November 15, 2005 after completion of Transition Agreement negotiations regarding the future negotiation of a single collective bargaining agreement applicable to the merged operations of America West and US Airways (the “Single Agreement”), and WHEREAS that letter, among other things, suggests that “closed sections” of the Single Agreement could be reopened and discussed again based on the economic impact of other completed sections, and WHEREAS that letter among other things, seeks to reserve rights to apply the US Airways collective barga ining agreement to the merged operation, and WHEREAS management’s suggestion to reopen contract sections is not consistent with efficient and good faith negotiations, and WHEREAS the Company’s supposed reservation of rights is inconsistent with the language, meaning and bargaining history of the Transition Agreement, and
WHEREAS the Company’s attempt to reserve rights never discussed in Transition Agreement negotiations, despite many opportunities to do so, is contrary to Mr. Parker’s often expressed desire to deal openly, fairly and in good faith with employees of the new company, and WHEREAS ALPA has rejected the Company’s positions in a letter dated November 17, 2005, and WHEREAS despite ALPA requests to do so, the Company has not yet retracted its reservation of rights, and WHEREAS US Airways pilots expect that their enormous sacrifices will be acknowledged and rewarded during the post-bankruptcy enviro nment, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the MEC directs legal counsel to prepare for discussion of alternatives and a joint decision of the MEC’s to resolve this issue in a manner satisfactory to both US Airways and America West pilots at the January MEC meeting, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the MEC clearly express its expectation for quick resolution of these issues and its expectation for substantial improvements in pay, benefits and working conditions in the combined agreement to Mr. Parker. BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that a pending resolution MEC AI 05-153a be provided to the America West MEC in preparation for action at the January 2006 joint discussion MEC meeting. I am sorry for the confusion. We will now be discussing Resolution 153B in Dallas with the America West Pilots. And, By the way if you think your MEC Chairman is on top of the situation created by Mr. Hemmenwy's letter of November 15th you're w rong! The first correspondence to Mr. Hemmenway from the Chairman the MEC has been copied so far is one asking Hemmenway's permission to carry out a MEC resolution. Honest! You see the MEC wants to show the pilots, through the negotiating notes of 2004, just how well they met the company's needs for pay and working conditions relative to the other low cost carriers. Your Chairman is begging the question asking if much of the data is still confidential. The time for that debate was before the MEC passed the resolution. We have had the debate on the above Resolutions 153A & B. ALPA National got its way. We will now move ahead with their watered down course of action. Hopefully there will be no more letters from our Chairman to Mr. Hemmenway asking for permission to yank the JNC should ALPA ever get the stomach for it. Recent problems we are having with our chairman have to do with his
inability to communicate to the MEC matters of importance to the US Airways pilots. The first involves his knowledge ahead of time of the company's intention to fly America West flights with our aircraft and crewmembers. Your reps and our crewmembers had to find out about the company's plans at the time of implementation. There was no time for a thought out response or even a well thought out legal opinion from the drafter on our side of the Transition Agreement. Even some of the MEC members were unaware of the situation which occurred last week in Phoenix when our (PHL) pilots were told to fly extra sections in lieu of America West flights because of a shortage of flyable aircraft on their side of the equation. It is not OK with this rep that we do America West flying. If the Transition Agreement ultimately allows such whipsawing, someone did a poor job of crafting the language...we shall see. The story to date is that everyone will be paid, but we all know that wi ll not be actualized until the fifteenth. We will keep you posted. If you are asked to do anything that you think is suspect get in touch with the ALPA office, Dave, or myself ASAP. Bottom Line.......OUR CHAIRMAN KNEW, HE LET US ALL BE SURPRISED AND BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD. The Second Issue involves a little junket to Portugal by Chairman Pollock and Vice Chairman Snider. They knew they were going. No report. They knew they were there, no report. They knew they had been there, no report. When questioned about the trip your Chairman responded to Dave Ciabattoni, "Well Dave we stayed at a Holiday Inn which was 79EU/night and the food was expensive." When your Vice Chairman was queried about the trip in subcommittee while he was giving his quarterly report he told how important it was for them (he and Bill) to keep up on matters concerning global threats to our profession and to those relating to our alliances. He was unable, however to report to us about what he learned about either or how exactly either of them had been promoting the agenda of the US Airways pilots. Stay tuned. We will report from our Joint MEC meeting in Texas--neutral ground, you know, this week. Rumor has it that if the America West pilots have any surprises for Pollock, your Chairman will walk out. Hopefully that will not include an attempt on their part to resurrect Resolution #153A and the honor of its author!
APA inherits US Airways pilots company ceo induced stall of any possible JCBA in recent history.
 
Fact;  The america west flight attendants went without a contract for 9 years under Doug Parker and only settled a JCBA in the last few years. 
 
Guess who was stalling the F/A talks?
 
 
doug,
 
Your job and motive is to enhance your ceo pay, I agree. 
 
Where we depart in our differences is when you want to blame USAPA for your lets be Fanke discussions with employee, investor and judicial groups.
 
I will sentry the correct history, my passion.
 
1990 circa editorial cartoons;;
 
 
 
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Here's the $64 question Claxon. Why have the West pilots been so effective in court giving their version of these events that are clearly contrary to the facts and paint the East pilot group in such a negative manner when they were party to nearly every action we took?

It happened in Judge Silver's court and now again in the 9th!
 
A320 Driver said:
Here's the $64 question Claxon. Why have the West pilots been so effective in court giving their version of these events that are clearly contrary to the facts and paint the East pilot group in such a negative manner when they were party to nearly every action we took?
It happened in Judge Silver's court and now again in the 9th!
Hometown advantage. All this took place in a historically anti labor environment. America West was loved by all the anti labor groups. Conway and company even exported their anti labor agenda successfully on an international level. It embodied low wages and benefits for years.
Look where Wake, Silver and Bybee are from. You are involved in their backyard. They know Parker and all the players in this mess. I guarantee they were not happy with the evolution of their hometown airline. Wake did his utmost to defend his locals and Bybee was right there to back him up.

At least the networks got around to covering the Brennan hearing. The same can't be said for an atrocious prison ruling last week out of California authored by 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Jay S. Bybee. You may remember Bybee as the "torture memo" author who did not disclose that fact to members of the Senate Judiciary Committee during his 2003 confirmation hearing.* Today, life-tenured, free from any accountability for one of the most shameful legal episodes in our nation's history, Judge Bybee is still leaving his mark on the law of torture -- still justifying its use and protecting those who torture in our name.

Contraband Watch

On January 31st, in a 2-1 ruling authored by Judge Bybee, the 9th Circuit reversed a federal trial judge's ruling that had permitted a prisoner's civil rights lawsuit to proceed a little further toward trial. The prisoner, Rex Chappell, had alleged that he was tortured by his guards when he was placed on a seven-day "contraband watch." The defendants in the case, federal prison officials, argued that the case had to be dismissed long before trial because as a matter of law they were entitled to immunity from such lawsuits.

Here is the link to the ruling in the case styled Chappell v. Mandeville. From the ruling:
 
Ninth Circuit Judge Jay Bybee, who signed an infamous memo approving the Bush Administration’s use of torture while he led the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel, received $3.4 million in free legal and consulting services to help him avoid accountability for his legally and morally indefensible memo. The lion’s share of this massive gift came from Latham & Watkins, a massive corporate law firm whose clients include Koch Industries, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, ExxonMobil, and Phillip Morris:
Latham & Watkins’ Maureen Mahon­ey took on a major assignment when she agreed to represent Jay Bybee, a federal appellate judge who was accused of violating ethics rules for his work at the U.S. Department of Justice on so-called “torture memos.” Newly released records show just how big the assignment was. . . . Nearly all the assistance, $3,251,893, came from Los Angeles-based Latham, whose lawyers used to appear before Bybee in the courtrooms of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit.
Its worth noting that Mahoney isn’t just any big corporate law firm attorney, she is a former law clerk to then-Associate Justice William Rehnquist and is widely considered one of the top appellate litigators in the country. Although it is common — and indeed admirable — for attorneys of this caliber to provide pro bono services, those services are typically offered to the genuinely needy and not to powerful government officials who could resign their judgeship and immediately receive a job in private practice earning a high six or seven figure salary.
 
A320 Driver said:
Here's the $64 question Claxon. Why have the West pilots been so effective in court giving their version of these events that are clearly contrary to the facts and paint the East pilot group in such a negative manner when they were party to nearly every action we took?
It happened in Judge Silver's court and now again in the 9th!
Maybe the East's pilots behavior has been so clearly egregious? You guys are the only ones shocked by any of this. You guys lie to yourselves and each other with such regularity, you have no idea what the truth is.
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]
 
Cheer up boys.  You'll be visiting Judge Silver's courtroom very soon (again)....
[SIZE=12pt]“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so.  By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/SIZE]
 
Who knew that Mr. Mollen was a sueth sayer?
 
[SIZE=12pt]MR. MOLLEN: Right. Right.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]But from our perspective, Your Honor, the Ninth Circuit has not ruled that the case isn't ripe, it held that it wasn't ripe.  [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Now that we've got the MOU in place and we're moving rapidly towards seniority integration under this merger the question of whether USAPA has to come to that particular integration process with a Nicolau-based list or not is ripe as it can be. It will never be more ripe.  We are there, we have reached that juncture…….[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]NEAL D. MOLLEN, ESQ., DEBEVOISE & PLIMPTON LLP Special Aircraft Counsel to the Debtors[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]US Bankruptcy Court Transcripts: April 3, 2013[/SIZE]
 
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