2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Hope777]

 
In that sad case; "you'se" are every bit the "SIMPLE" village idiot you've so earnestly striven to present yourself as, and are entirely wrong.
 
Now then: How much has it cost you to remain a fully frustrated first officer in the self-described "Fishbowl" for the whole decade past?

PRICELESS !

 

[luvthe9]

Paging Davey boy, project wingman is awaiting your call, you're not making any sense and showing signs of severe "desperation"...........call them now!



Wye not give them a call and get the help you need........lines are open at this time.

 

[FL430]

In that sad case; "you'se" are every bit the "SIMPLE" village idiot you've so earnestly striven to present yourself as, and are entirely wrong.
 
Now then: How much has it cost you to remain a fully frustrated first officer in the self-described "Fishbowl" for the whole decade past?

Those Nic blinders he has on wont allow him to calculate those numbers, lol!

 

[luvthe9]

WSJ........



We are the worst airline..........Richard Anderson is laughing his ars off at Parker.




http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-best-and-worst-airlines-1421254623



AWA....... Ruining one airline at a time!

 

[luvthe9]

"Hopefully, upper management will take a lesson from their counterpart at Delta and figure out in order to be truly a world class organization you must recognize the value of your employees and treat them as assets instead of liabilities. In fact, in a recent corporate meeting at Delta called "Velvet 360" Delta's CEO Richard Anderson stated:




"American is trying to mimic everything we do, but frankly they will never catch up to us, because they don't invest in their People."


You miss Horton yet?

 

[cltrat]

that Anderson quote sums it up

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Boy got a great laugh at CB53 , I think it is a new segment on SNL, simple math with CB53' ! Your simple equation ain't so simple, that F/o that was 11 years senior not to mention pilots hired the same month and year the EAST taking a 600 plus number hit NEVER upgrade in those 5 years , but because of attrition he does to the tune of 25, per hour for 85 hours plus no assumptions nets him a min of 25,500 per year times 5 equals 127,500 which is higher than zero., not to mention another 24000 per year in pbgc , but forget that, so CB, 127,500 is greater than zero, now where is that 500,000 dollar figure? Chuckleheads!

 

[luvthe9]

Boy got a great laugh at CB53 , I think it is a new segment on SNL, simple math with CB53' ! Your simple equation ain't so simple, that F/o that was 11 years senior not to mention pilots hired the same month and year the EAST taking a 600 plus number hit NEVER upgrade in those 5 years , but because of attrition he does to the tune of 25, per hour for 85 hours plus no assumptions nets him a min of 25,500 per year times 5 equals 127,500 which is higher than zero., not to mention another 24000 per year in pbgc , but forget that, so CB, 127,500 is greater than zero, now where is that 500,000 dollar figure? Chuckleheads!

The boys a real spin master, that's how he tanked his whole pilot group, he is one "desperate " liar.........

 

[Pi brat]

Dear 3.14159265359 (Pi....get it? 😀 ):
 
We’re going to do some SIMPLE math today, and return to new words tomorrow.  Get your scratch pad out and follow along, please.
 
First of all, there was at first a “comprehensive proposal” in May of 2008 with the Joint Contract Bargaining Agreement quite nearly done.  This proposal included wages.  This proposal was NOT the company’s final offer (known as the “Kirby Proposal”).
 
So, first of all the US Air pilots (using NB Captain pay) was making $125 an hour, while the AWA NB Captain was making $142 an hour.  A US Air NB Captain working 85 hours a month would earn only $10,625.00 a month, and $127,500.00 a year.
 
The Kirby proposal offered 3% above the AWA $142 an hour for NB (at a minimum), BUT in court testimony a company official stated that they were prepared to go as high as 10% above that figure for the beginning point in 2008. 
 
Based on court testimony, it is estimated that the wage of a US Airways NB Captain could have been as high as $162.36 an hour (starting out at $156.04 in Jan. 2008 – that’s a 24.8% INCREASE in wage!).  That means that same US Airways NB Captain (using an 85 hour work month as a benchmark) would earn $807,044.00 over the course of 5 years (Jan. 2008 through Dec. 2012) vs. $637,500.00. 
 
That is a LOSS of nearly $170,000.00 in five years!  Not to mention the gain of FULL PAY CANCELLATION and FULL PAY DEADHEAD.  Not to mention scheduling improvements.  Not to mention better vacation accrual / time.
 
So……$807,044.00 will ALWAYS be MORE than $637,500.00.  Further, you will NEVER recover those funds that were frittered away by USAPA and its ridiculous claims to get a “industry leading contract” with the “gold standard” of “date-of-hire”.
 
That concludes today's SIMPLE math lesson for today.  Join us tomorrow when we return to learning new words & terms!
 
CB53

So, did you not read my post or the transcripts?
 
Math is not your problem, it's reality. I asked you if you claimed that we could have been at our current rates years ago. Even so, you can't even reply without using "maybe", "possible" etc.
 
Here are a few highlights from John Boy's testimony:
 
starting on page 233 1/08/2016 transcript:

"But you can see the 12-year pay rate was
146.10. So Mr. Kirby didn't quite make his buck 50
promise to me. So we can see where this was going, so to speak."

"Q. Now, again, this was the Company's first
 proposal.  Were there subsequent negotiations over  economics following the carrier proposal?
 A. No. We could never get back to present the Company with a comprehensive counterproposal
 because the East withdraw from joint negotiations"

" Q. I want to leap forward from that spring of -- spring and summer of 2007 towards the end of
 2007 the beginning of 2008. Now, I understand, and so there's no
 misunderstanding by the Panel, that neither Kirby. Now, I understand, and so there's no
 misunderstanding by the Panel, that neither Kirby plus 4 nor Kirby plus 7 was, in fact, ever proposed
2 by the Company; correct?
 
A. No. It was not -- the Kirby was the 4 proposal by the Company. My guess is we would have come in with  Kirby plus 10 as our counterproposal. And then hopefully settle somewhere in the middle, somewhere,8 and in that range, had we been able to get back to
 the table."
 
Hopefully ask. What cb takes a fact.
 
Who were you calling a Maroon? Go back to living your life in the cartoons.

 

[luvthe9]

Dear Pi,
CB spent a great deal of effort writing such a voluminous post based on.. wait for it.. another assumption.. that you would bother to read it.

And that should surprise us all how..............he is a master liar living in a fantasy world with a failed career T the only airline that would hire him

He sold out his whole pilot group .........big smiles boy

 

[cactusboy53]

SLI Arbitration is complete (@ 1443 ET) today! Maybe we should start a 100 box pool on the date the new list is delivered (but perhaps not opened?).

Hang on boys! Thus one's REALLY Final & Binding!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Hear through the grapevine that management is expecting to see an SLI award by the end of January.  Yes....January, 2016....two weeks from now.  That would certainly be a novelty, i.e. arbitrators around here not taking years to do their job.

 

[nevergiveup]

I can see not allowing implementation until March, 2017 simply due to the groups bidding vacation separately for the coming year. Staffing problems could arise.  

 

[nevergiveup]

Hear through the grapevine that management is expecting to see an SLI award by the end of January.  Yes....January, 2016....two weeks from now.  That would certainly be a novelty, i.e. arbitrators around here not taking years to do their job.

Hard to imagine.

 

[Pi brat]

No reply cb?