2015 Pilot Discussion.

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The company put out a message that they are not pay protecting LUS pilots in accordance with the contract that APA allegedly oversees.. and APA is AWOL. Meanwhile schedulers are calling us and asking/negotiating with us to help out and overlook the denied pay protection (so we can recover the pay we have lost).
My phone seems to be broken.
The KDA slogan (kick Delta's a$$) was a typo.. It is spelled KMA.

That's why I support the Company and not the un"I"on anymore. The APA and the West screwed us and I simply want to be here for them as "the gift that keeps on giving". That extra $2000 plus I won't have to pay them next year will look fine in MY checking account.

I'm on a trip right now willing to help the Company as much as I can. Flew to CLE on a 36 hour overnight with a deadhead today. Eric Ferguson (with his deadbeat tie) along with the "Captain" that has an old AWA crest on his hat (trying to impress how independent he is) trying to prove how important they are with all this "contract interpretation" nonsense they blather about. Thank god it was a short van ride. Didn't waste my time with them....Eric even knew me by name but he can stuff it. I have no respect for the APA/West and I'm in this for me and the 10 years I have left.

I hope the third listers get to keep their money as well. It's better spent on their kids college education than the APA/West group of unifiers.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Hey moron, management's dumb luck got them the pilot stagnation.  Your stupid, pointless spending on endless lawsuits enabled it.  East pilots lost out some pay; west pilots lost out on beaucoup opportunities (and still do) and are left sucking the dry, desert teat to this very day.
 
I didn't lose half-million....much less.  Your gutter level wages from the day America's Worst Airline started operations are testament to who can hold on the bottom the longest and most effectively.
 
Your intransigence at Wye River is equally responsible for the Tempe Brain Trust enjoying record low pilot wages for 8 years.  Keep in mind (although I am certain you idiots have long ago lost your minds) that those years on LOA93 wages were the worst the east had seen ever.  During that same time, you were stuck on the best the west had seen ever (which were only marginally better than LOA93, and worse  than the East widebody rates) and had it not been for USAirways coming along and making the merger with AA possible, you probably would still be on those wages, while we had spent decades earning FAR MORE than you dumbs**ts ever hoped to negotiate because you have no balls to get anything better.
 
You have ridden the east coattails into American Airlines.  Pray  your precious Tempe Brain Trust doesn't slaughter the golden goose before the stockholders come to their senses and send those clowns running.
 
As far as their business acumen;  A monkey could see how poor it is.  But you, of course, could not, since any monkey would leave you in the dust when it comes to almost any intellectual enterprise.

You are correct. I would note however that I will simply follow the one that pays me the money because the "principle" is LOST on the APA/West pilot group.

 

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I always get a kick out of east pilots who think they know the MO of upper management.
 
 
Hey clueless.....the "one trick pony" trick screwed you and the scab union out of $500,000 each.  
 
You do not know a damn thing about their motivation,  management prowess or business acumen.
 
 
Now why don't you counter with why you were happy to lose $1/2 million and all the other nonsense you've been posting for near a decade and totally prove my point?

Funny, but the same is said for the APA/West as well. It's all about "the money" now and it's me against you.

I'm looking forward to our newfound competition. See you in 2020.

 

[cactusboy53]

 
Hey moron, management's dumb luck got them the pilot stagnation.  Your stupid, pointless spending on endless lawsuits enabled it.  East pilots lost out some pay; west pilots lost out on beaucoup opportunities (and still do) and are left sucking the dry, desert teat to this very day.........

 
And then VP Paul Jones said this in court:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Sorry to confuse you with the FACTS nycbd.  Carry on (because we know you will).[/SIZE]

 

[luvthe9]

Heard IOC in DFW is in total disarray, say it ain't so.!

 

[luvthe9]

And then VP Paul Jones said this in court:
 
Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. .The arbitrators decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPAs proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the unions duty of fair representation.
 
Paul D. Jones; Vice President Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer

Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013
 
Sorry to confuse you with the FACTS nycbd.  Carry on (because we know you will).

.


SORRY THE NIC IS DEAD, DREAM ON "DOROTHY"


It will all be over soon.......one or two more years in the self induced fishbowl.

 

[cactusboy53]

.SORRY THE NIC IS DEAD, DREAM ON "DOROTHY"


It will all be over soon.......one or two more years in the self induced fishbowl.

 
And then the 9th said this:
 
[SIZE=12pt]US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit                                                                       26 June 2015[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]“…USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots’ exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation.  USAPA’s manifest disregard for the interests of the West Pilots and its discriminatory conduct towards them constitutes a clear breach of duty.  Accordingly, we reverse the district court’s conclusion that USAPA did not breach its duty of fair representation, and remand with instructions to enjoin USAPA from participating in the McCaskill-Bond proceedings except to the extent that USAPA will advocate the Nicolau Award..”[/SIZE]
 
Gee....I wonder who helped the "East Pilot Seniority Committee" with all of those slides and presentations.  Didn't Judge Silver WARN any other party about USAPA's help &/or participation??  Things that make you go...HMMMMMMMM.

 

[luvthe9]

And then the 9th said this:
 
US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit                                                                       26 June 2015
 

USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation.  USAPAs manifest disregard for the interests of the West Pilots and its discriminatory conduct towards them constitutes a clear breach of duty.  Accordingly, we reverse the district courts conclusion that USAPA did not breach its duty of fair representation, and remand with instructions to enjoin USAPA from participating in the McCaskill-Bond proceedings except to the extent that USAPA will advocate the Nicolau Award..
 
Gee....I wonder who helped the "East Pilot Seniority Committee" with all of those slides and presentations.  Didn't Judge Silver WARN any other party about USAPA's help &/or participation??  Things that make you go...HMMMMMMMM.

We now have a better picture what the East MEC had on the table: an 8 year fence, furloughs by longevity (LOS), MDA time not counting for longevity, Dave ODell having 400 pilots below him, and the Nic surviving as THE LIST. Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now, but last February the EAST MEC and ALPA couldnt get to first base with it.

Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that.

U-Turn




Things that make you go.........HMMMMMMMM..........

 

[EastUS1]

Typically "spartan" cactus"boy" meaningless, mindless, and purely childish braggadocio:
 

..... I can arrange a personal meeting with the esteemed Capt. Aux. ...

 
Ok. Sounds good to me. So arrange it already. You're clearly inadequate to the task (and evidently know that), but the wager's always open. What are "you'se" waiting for? Well? Sigh...Just consider how many more "teenage blog buddies" that pathetic creature might acquire by at least, even once, doing something more than just pretending to be a "Pilot"....? Do please tell him to wear a "Dire Wolf" T-shirt for the best possible laughs all around.
 
Oh well, just keep posting more ancient drivel from lawyers....if it somehow helps you sleep at night.  Permit the rest of us to very properly, just laugh. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

 
Hey moron, management's dumb luck got them the pilot stagnation.  Your stupid, pointless spending on endless lawsuits enabled it.  East pilots lost out some pay; west pilots lost out on beaucoup opportunities (and still do) and are left sucking the dry, desert teat to this very day.
 
I didn't lose half-million....much less.  Your gutter level wages from the day America's Worst Airline started operations are testament to who can hold on the bottom the longest and most effectively.
 
Your intransigence at Wye River is equally responsible for the Tempe Brain Trust enjoying record low pilot wages for 8 years.  Keep in mind (although I am certain you idiots have long ago lost your minds) that those years on LOA93 wages were the worst the east had seen ever.  During that same time, you were stuck on the best the west had seen ever (which were only marginally better than LOA93, and worse  than the East widebody rates) and had it not been for USAirways coming along and making the merger with AA possible, you probably would still be on those wages, while we had spent decades earning FAR MORE than you dumbs**ts ever hoped to negotiate because you have no balls to get anything better.
 
You have ridden the east coattails into American Airlines.  Pray  your precious Tempe Brain Trust doesn't slaughter the golden goose before the stockholders come to their senses and send those clowns running.
 
As far as their business acumen;  A monkey could see how poor it is.  But you, of course, could not, since any monkey would leave you in the dust when it comes to almost any intellectual enterprise.

 
Well summarized, and done with a higher degree of patience than I could ever muster in response to such nonsense....Truly...Words simply fail me with such incurably clueless fools.

 

[EastUS1]

You do not know a damn thing about their motivation,  management prowess or business acumen.

 
Their "motivation" would be clearly apparent to even a first year psych student...but obviously not to your sort. Their "management prowess or business acumen" was fully demonstrated by throwing away nearly a third of a billion dollars, moronically "invested" in essentially junk bonds that predictably proved worthless: The ONLY thing currently at ALL sustaining those twits is essentially "free" oil/fuel....Period.
 
Below is offered a gentle hint for "you'se" hopefully continuing education
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTHL0y6xvLE

 

[nic4us]

 
Hey moron, management's dumb luck got them the pilot stagnation.  Your stupid, pointless spending on endless lawsuits enabled it.  East pilots lost out some pay; west pilots lost out on beaucoup opportunities (and still do) and are left sucking the dry, desert teat to this very day.
 
I didn't lose half-million....much less.  Your gutter level wages from the day America's Worst Airline started operations are testament to who can hold on the bottom the longest and most effectively.
 
Your intransigence at Wye River is equally responsible for the Tempe Brain Trust enjoying record low pilot wages for 8 years.  Keep in mind (although I am certain you idiots have long ago lost your minds) that those years on LOA93 wages were the worst the east had seen ever.  During that same time, you were stuck on the best the west had seen ever (which were only marginally better than LOA93, and worse  than the East widebody rates) and had it not been for USAirways coming along and making the merger with AA possible, you probably would still be on those wages, while we had spent decades earning FAR MORE than you dumbs**ts ever hoped to negotiate because you have no balls to get anything better.
 
You have ridden the east coattails into American Airlines.  Pray  your precious Tempe Brain Trust doesn't slaughter the golden goose before the stockholders come to their senses and send those clowns running.
 
As far as their business acumen;  A monkey could see how poor it is.  But you, of course, could not, since any monkey would leave you in the dust when it comes to almost any intellectual enterprise.

 
I knew you would prove my point.
 
Dumb luck?  Think again sister.  Your group was played, and you followed the carrot ignoring the staff.
 
It was the east that rode the coattails of the West as TEMPE moved to Dallas, and you are still riding the West's coattails.  Whats the matter you incessant whining losers, don't you get cancel pay when a snowstorm hits?  The West is still the highest paid pilot group, have been for over a decade despite the east continual crying.
 
Intransigence at Wye River?  We were not intransigent, we were RIGHT!  ALPA was gonna lose the property because the president ignored the C&BLs. 
 
As far as the stockholders sending management packing, again you show your total lack of knowledge on the situation.  They are not gonna get sent packing, they are gonna get multi-million dollar bonuses.  

 

[EastUS1]

 
I knew you would prove my point.
 
......

 
Enjoy your "life" inside Fantasyland. "They are not gonna get sent packing, they are gonna get multi-million dollar bonuses." All "you'se" demonstrate by that's the obvious fact that you never attended any Business School of any kind, and are both wholly naive and hopelessly ignorant of how the real world operates.
 
nic4us: "Intransigence at Wye River?  We were not intransigent, we were RIGHT!" Well then?...Fully enjoy the fruits of your obviously "righteous" position and stop crying/whining already. Just a wee bit of an admittedly harsh "clue" here: NO ONE outside of "you'se" little PHX "Fishbowl" at all even slightly cares.
 
Grow Up.

 

[luvthe9]

I knew you would prove my point.
 
Dumb luck?  Think again sister.  Your group was played, and you followed the carrot ignoring the staff.
 
It was the east that rode the coattails of the West as TEMPE moved to Dallas, and you are still riding the West's coattails.  Whats the matter you incessant whining losers, don't you get cancel pay when a snowstorm hits?  The West is still the highest paid pilot group, have been for over a decade despite the east continual crying.
 
Intransigence at Wye River?  We were not intransigent, we were RIGHT!  ALPA was gonna lose the property because the president ignored the C&BLs. 
 
As far as the stockholders sending management packing, again you show your total lack of knowledge on the situation.  They are not gonna get sent packing, they are gonna get multi-million dollar bonuses.

We have a dreamer.......we saved you from project Zanzibar..........remember you don't belong here or deserve to be here.......should have been sold off to Mesa!











PHOENIX FISHBOWL FLYER
DECEMBER 2014

Awhile back we published an update in which we referred to our Phoenix base as a fishbowl. Since then, a few pilots from other bases who find their current situation more satisfying than what we have faced over the last decade thought the reference was hysterical, and began calling our PHX updates Fishbowl Fliers. We are dismayed that our circumstances would give them so much pleasure. We wouldnt wish our circumstances on anyone else, or any other base, and we want nothing other than unbridled and shared prosperity for all pilots of New American. Well only point out to those small-minded folks who would gloat over our situation that Karma is one of the most ancient concepts known to man and theres likely a good reason it has survived.







Enjoy the bowl "junior"






Oh.........no NIC for you by the way.

 

[cactusboy53]

We have a dreamer........we saved you from project Zanzibar..........remember you don't belong here or deserve to be here.......should have been sold off to Mesa!

 
And then el Presidente' Mike Cleary TOLD YOU THIS when you thought you would run right over and fly UAL's Boeing 777's (entitled....who'd have thought!):
 
[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Keep your sense of humor Johnny Boy, you will really need it (IMHO).  Cue USEast with some sort of blather that I will not even waste my time reading in 3-2-1.... 😀.   [/SIZE]