2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

What has happened to all that superiority............it's all going to be good so many retirements, just a few more years here.........sorry don't mean to gloat but not an APA fan.
IF.........there is any truth to this, beer is on all of us for our merger committee.

Where is our former PHX rep......... Do tell us us what you hear.

 

[luvthe9]

"While JNC negotiations were bogging down, this new MEC didnt file disputes on the few protections we had in the TA. Meanwhile, the MEC tried to get rid of the Merger Committee. Thankfully they failed. None of this was the companys doing. It was the result of a new MEC attempting to destroy all the work that had been completed before they took office. Blame the company? No. Its about time we recognize those who were really responsible.

Its time to take a good look in the rear-view mirror. If we had a single contract in place, the NIC would also be in place. Sure, we would probably still have USAPA. But long before the East removed ALPA, we would have been operating under a single contract, with the Nicolau seniority list in place. Next time you go to a training center brown bag lunch, before you go after the company and the East, keep in mind how close we were to a TA prior to the NIC. We did it to ourselves, guys."

Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn








This guy was right on everything .................so glad the west did not listen to him.

 

[luvthe9]

Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything.






The MIGHTY U-Turn Says: WE TOLD YOU SO!

"U-Turn: Taking Responsibility According to our reports, on Day One of Wye River, Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. ALPA's lawyers knew the list was negotiable,"

"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."

"The U-Turn Wye River: ALPA's Last Stand Back to Wye River. Did West Merger Attorney and West MEC advisor Jeff Freund really walk out of talks because the MEC refused to give on the NIC or did West MC Chairman Ken Stravers chase him out?"

Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn









What say you BoyCactus............is that a lie?..............I Think not

 

[luvthe9]

Such an agreement will not take effect without separate successful membership ratification votes by America West and US Airways members.






Captains Prater and Rice Brief Executive Board on US Airways Issues August 3, 2007

Further, the Council recognized that, in accordance with Merger Policy and the Transition Agreement, management may not use a merged seniority list without a single collective bargaining agreement, and that such an agreement will not take effect without separate successful membership ratification votes by America West and US Airways members. This means that both sides have effective veto authority on any such agreement.

 

[luvthe9]

CB53, your thoughts???

he's lurking but won't answer........

 

[luvthe9]

It is now beyond dispute that the junior AW pilot, Dave Odell, and 300-400 other AW F/Os hired in 2002-05 would have been furloughed absent the US merger, as AW went into Chapter 11, perhaps never to emerge.





Project Zanzibar
At the May 9 session of the Joint Negotiating Committee, Scott Kirby, President of the Company, revealed to the assembled representatives of both pilot groups and ALPA National that he had headed a project code-named “Project Zanzibar” for AW in 2005 and that the legal papers for a Chapter 11 filing had been prepared and a plan developed for AW’s bankruptcy in the event that the merger failed to come to fruition. Project Zanzibar was AW’s only Plan B. It is now beyond dispute that the junior AW pilot, Dave Odell, and 300-400 other AW F/Os hired in 2002-05 would have been furloughed absent the US merger, as AW went into Chapter 11, perhaps never to emerge. In light of this new disclosure from the carrier’s President, there is clearly no support for the explicit premise of the Nicolau Award that these AW pilots had more job security and better promotional prospects than US pilots hired in 1988, including hundreds who had never been furloughed for a single day.






We saved AWA........

 

[luvthe9]

These windfall gains at the expense of the US pilots could have been avoided, as Merger Policy requires, but the Nicolau Award nevertheless fails to do so.......





US AIRWAYS MEC PRESENTATION TO ALPA EXECUTIVE COUNCIL
MAY 21, 2007

First Officer Colello and several hundred of his colleagues are now actively flying Airbus and Boeing aircraft again, as they have for nearly twenty years of their piloting careers. Inserting AW pilots in initial ground school at the time of the merger ahead of them on the combined list would provide those AW pilots windfalls in accessing promotional
opportunities and in job security that improperly come at the expense of these US pilots.

In addition to the 1,751 US pilots on the bottom of the list, the careers of US pilots with decades of continuous service at US would be devastated by the transfer of their unmerged promotional opportunities to junior (and younger) AW pilots interjected into their midst. At pages 11-16 of this booklet we have included a portion of the merged list detailing the windfalls achieved by very junior AW pilots at the expense of these veteran US pilots. AW pilots would leap ahead by up to six years in their Captain check-outs as the US pilots intermixed in the merged list with them would suffer delays in theirs or, worse yet, become career co-pilots. Similar redistribution of wide body international Captaincies would occur. On the date of the announcement of the merger, all of these US pilots had continuous service time of approximately
17 years, while all of the AW pilots whose names appear on these pages were still on probation. These windfall gains at the expense of the US pilots could have been avoided, as Merger Policy requires, but the Nicolau Award nevertheless fails to do so.







BoyCactus................what say you?

 

[dariencc]

Hey Armando, whaddya think?  

 

[luvthe9]

Hey Armando, whaddya think?  

Me thinks they are in full retreat......,..,,,,.geez, whoever made that fateful decision not to take the NIC at Wye River when we offered it ..............I would not want to be them.

 

[dariencc]

Me thinks they are in full retreat......,..,,,,.geez, whoever made that fateful decision not to take the NIC at Wye River when we offered it ..............I would not want to be them.

 
So true.  Good thing we didn't listen to Pollock, Munn and the rest of that sorry ALPA crew. 

 

[Silverflyer330]

You all need to settle down, no one knows squat yet, wait for the final decision, you might be eating crow soon, let's all wait a little longer.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

It ain't over until the fat lady from Blacktop Pests sings.

 

[Silverflyer330]

It ain't over until the fat lady from Blacktop Pests sings.

They by far had some very funny videos.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

They by far had some very funny videos.

Some were indeed funny. But having some good friends depicted as Nazis kind of ruined it for me.

My guilty pleasure commenting here. Especially in light of more pressing events.

Time to ban all trucks. They are evil.

 

[Claxon]

Hey Armando, whaddya think?  

Oscarjazz. Geeeeeeez