2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Claxon]

 
“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.
“And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."
 
J. Scott Kirby

 

 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/05/kirby-we-expect-an-amr-us-airw.html/

 

[Claxon]

 
“Under both the ALPA Merger Policy and the
Transition Agreement, a joint contract needs to be completed before an award can be
implemented.” (Id.).  In a letter dated July 3, 2007, to all East and West pilots, ALPA President Prater
reiterated that: “Both ALPA’s Merger Policy and your Transition Agreement provide that a merger seniority list has no effect until a signed joint contract is in effect … that is
acceptable and ratified by a majority of both pilot groups.” (Exhibit B)

 

 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/DFR_1_Filings/Doc200_Gentile_Declaration_Opposition_Class.pdf

 

[Claxon]

'Section II.B.5 of the Transition Agreement contains a procedure, culminating in
binding arbitration, for allocating the flying of aircraft that were not in the two carriers’ fleets at the time of the merger between the two pilot groups. The union parties invoked that procedure in 2006 with regard to the EMB 190 aircraft, and in September 2006 Arbitrator Dana Eischen issued a decision holding that the EMB flying should be assigned to East pilots until US Airways implements a complete operational integration pursuant to the terms of the Transition Agreement."
 

 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/DFR_1_Filings/Doc053-1_Hemenway_Declaration.pdf

 

[Phoenix]

Three fast balls over the middle. Their mouth is hanging open. Speechless they struck out.

 

[Metroyet]

Three fast balls over the middle. Their mouth is hanging open. Speechless they struck out.

Right. Stunning revelations. Please tell me in any of this where the lack of a JCBA means you never entered final and binding arbitration and received a fair result. where in any of this does it mean the reverse acquisition of us air by America Wedt never happened?

One airline
One stock
One operating certificate
One management

There. There's 4 fast balls over the plate.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Right. Stunning revelations. Please tell me in any of this where the lack of a JCBA means you never entered final and binding arbitration and received a fair result. where in any of this does it mean the reverse acquisition of us air by America Wedt never happened?

One airline
One stock
One operating certificate
One management

There. There's 4 fast balls over the plate.

 
I am sure you accidentally missed the deal-killer:  Two pilot contracts.

 

[EastCheats]

Right. Stunning revelations. Please tell me in any of this where the lack of a JCBA means you never entered final and binding arbitration and received a fair result. where in any of this does it mean the reverse acquisition of us air by America Wedt never happened?
One airline
One stock
One operating certificate
One management
There. There's 4 fast balls over the plate.

Five..

Summary:

Merger" of America West and US Airways
Total number of pilots on the seniority list

2005 East 3302 pilots
, 1691 furloughed
, 5089 on the seniority list, 105 CEL

2007 East 3605 pilots, recalled 300, continued to recall

2014 East 3715 pilots,
ZERO furloughed
, 658 new hires
2005 Second bankruptcy

2005 West 1894 pilots
, ZERO furloughed

2007 West 1829 pilots

2014 West 1609 pilots,
51 furloughed
, 14 new hires
Still Separate Operations and Seniority List


American/US Airways Merger Announced 2012

Flight Operations management knew the American merger and inevitably the US Airways (East/West) integration was coming.

By adding over 300 pilots to the East list it blocks West pilots from this growth flying.

At the same time leaving West pilots short staffed and unable to gain any added flying.

By shifting flying to the East it gives the East pilots "evidence" during
the seniority arbitration.
Separate Operations

Separate Operations was supposed to be for a short time, not nine years.

It does not mean that everything goes to the East pilots until the company finally decides to share something with the West.

Some East employees dont know or consider that PHX is part of US Airways.

Managers have told new hires that they are lucky to be on the East list because PHX will close

It has become institutionalized within the company that all new hires, new aircraft, new flying and all
benefits go to the East.

USAPA is going to do everything it can to continue separate operations, delay single carrier and keep taking those benefits for East pilots as long as someone from management keeps giving them the flying.

The East pilots have no incentive to integrate with 20 new hires every month for the East

Why would the East pilots want anything changed?

Forced to Defend Ourselves

The West pilot group has been forced to defend our rights in court for over six years costing in excess of $3.5 million dollars. Strictly on donations. Because the company has refused to abide by their agreement to use the seniority list per the Transition Agreement.

At the same time shrinking the west (19.7%) and forcing us to repay $2.5 million for distance learning and paying union dues.

Eighteen West pilots were sued by USAPA for RICO, Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations. Charges usually reserved for mobsters. Another legal bill in excess of $300,000. The company said nothing.


　
　
　
　
　
　
　

 

[EastCheats]

]http://www.scribd.com/doc/252451963/braidamr-pdf#scribd[/url]

Titled:
A TALE OF TWO AIRLINES
　
　
　
　
　
　

 

[Claxon]

Right. Stunning revelations. Please tell me in any of this where the lack of a JCBA means you never entered final and binding arbitration and received a fair result. where in any of this does it mean the reverse acquisition of us air by America Wedt never happened?
One airline
One stock
One operating certificate
One management
There. There's 4 fast balls over the plate.

Read your President Scott Kirby again. Your reading comprehension is appalling. Almost as appalling as the SNAPTHIS/Eastcheats/Move2Clt charade.

 

[Claxon]

Right. Stunning revelations. Please tell me in any of this where the lack of a JCBA means you never entered final and binding arbitration and received a fair result. where in any of this does it mean the reverse acquisition of us air by America Wedt never happened?
One airline
One stock
One operating certificate
One management
There. There's 4 fast balls over the plate.

Here is a line drive to your head. Tell us, genius, why the EMB 190 arbitration stuck, and the Nicolau didn't.

 

[Phoenix]

Right. Stunning revelations. Please tell me in any of this where the lack of a JCBA means you never entered final and binding arbitration and received a fair result. where in any of this does it mean the reverse acquisition of us air by America Wedt never happened?
One airline
One stock
One operating certificate
One management
There. There's 4 fast balls over the plate.

The Nic cannot be implemented on the authority of your implicit assumptions.... And now the 2005 TA is a nullify... If the Nic is to be implemented then the company must cite the contract they are complying with when they impliment and enforce the Nic seniority scheme.

Read Scooter's words of wisdom to you, again.

 

[Metroyet]

The Nic cannot be implemented on the authority of your implicit assumptions.... And now the 2005 TA is a nullify... If the Nic is to be implemented then the company must cite the contract they are complying with when they impliment and enforce the Nic seniority scheme.

Read Scooter's words of wisdom to you, again.

We'll see. The West is free of the USTUPID tyranny and the gloves are coming off in the next arbitration. We'll see who makes the more compelling arguments.

 

[EastCheats]

The Nic cannot be implemented on the authority of your implicit assumptions.... And now the 2005 TA is a nullify... If the Nic is to be implemented then the company must cite the contract they are complying with when they impliment and enforce the Nic seniority scheme.
Read Scooter's words of wisdom to you, again.

Read the words of the company attorneys. That's more telling and bad news for USAPA LLC.

Do you think an arbitrator's work is a scheme? The real scheme was USAPA. It's now decertified, holding onto money which it is not entitled. Demand letters will be arriving soon, followed by more litigation.

A friendly reminder from Leonidas:
Prior to APA's certification as our bargaining agent, both APA and USAPA set aside merger funds for use in seniority integration authority to represent West pilots in seniority integration proceedings, it has refused to relinquish the West's share of the merger fund, and it plans to use West money to fund a merger committee that now represents only East pilots. It will therefore require successful litigation to cause USAPA to properly relinquish that . APA properly set aside a fund for the American Airlines Pilot Seniority Integration Committee (AAPSIC) from dues money paid only by Legacy American Airlines pilots, and prior to its succession as our bargaining agent, before it owed any legal duties to US Airways pilots. USAPA ran a 0.5% merger assessment against all US Airways pilots, and that assessment paid into a merger fund containing monies from both East and West pilots. Although USAPA no longer has any money.

We are currently doing our diligence to have those questions properly answered, to leave no stone unturned for funding sources. We will provide you with a more comprehensive update about this topic very soon.

 

[Claxon]

We'll see. The West is free of the USTUPID tyranny and the gloves are coming off in the next arbitration. We'll see who makes the more compelling arguments.

Soon the APA tees you up and launches you into the rough. They will play the game right up to a point. Then they launch you.
You bring nothing in their eyes. Just a bunch of wasted 320 s

 

[Claxon]

]http://www.scribd.com/doc/252451963/braidamr-pdf#scribd[/url]
Titled:
A TALE OF TWO
　
　
　
　
　
　

Nobody cares about a decade ago. Give it up.