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CactusPilot1 said:
Why would the AA pilots be concerned about the US list? You sound like a crybaby looking for a hug. They are concerned about their own presentation.
See you in arbitration. If the last few arguments are how you will present your side of the story, I am confident you will have a similar result as in the past. Fine with me.
They should be concerned. Your philosophical rationale of a 2004 hire and west new hire going above a never furloughed pilot with 17 yrs interrupted service should be noted. They can expect the same if they are paying attention.
You will never answer that question about your plans for Legacy AA furloughed.
 
Eastcheats
Cactuspilot1
SNAPTHIS

Answer this: should Legacy American Airlines Pilots furloughed at the time of merger announcement be placed below all working former america west pilots with no credit for LOS?
 
"The first mistake was not starting Section 6 in June 2006. Don’t blame the East for that one. Their MEC encouraged us to enter Section 6 with a resolution. But ALPA said NO and our MEC bought off on it. No telling what a Section 6 contract would have gotten us. Section 6 had leverage. JNC talks didn’t. We could have had a contract that the east might have agreed to before the NIC Award came out. Remember our “Leverage Lost” U-Turn? U-Turn warned you."
 
"U-Turn warned about the dangers of not accepting the East E-190 offer as talks broke down in late June ’06 over the Dotter/McIlvenna rotating bidding plan. But our MEC had a better plan. It didn’t work. U-Turn warned you."
 
"Once again, U-Turn warned you. Guys, the AWAPPA leaders are the same ones who messed up when they were in office. It’s time to stop listening to them. It may be too late now, but if you don’t get your heads out of your sand"
 
cltrat said:
two things you'll never see together a liberty tie and an A330
 
 
Rat,
 
Why do you say this?
 
There are plenty of west F/O's who will be able to bid the 330 when the list comes out, even if it goes DOH, and there are bound to be some who wear the tie.
 
usabusdriver said:
Rat,
 
Why do you say this?
 
There are plenty of west F/O's who will be able to bid the 330 when the list comes out, even if it goes DOH, and there are bound to be some who wear the tie.

3 way deal we want 5 year fence, remember they are going it alone with nothing to brig to this merge
 
Claxon said:
Eastcheats
Cactuspilot1
SNAPTHIS

Answer this: should Legacy American Airlines Pilots furloughed at the time of merger announcement be placed below all working former america west pilots with no credit for LOS?
Claxon said:
Expect no answer.
Relax

Luv
Claxon

The Nicolau arbitration said those who were actively flying at the time of the acquisition in 2005, that pilots who were actively flying at the time of the merger should not be replaced with furloughed pilots. You installed an East Union and management, it is no suprise who got recalled and who was furloughed. The arbitration called for no windfalls, guess what you got your winfall already so don't expect and windfall with AA. History will show the airline which was hiring at the time of the acquisition (America West) stopped until the East pilots were recalled. West pilots got furloughed by their new East bosses. Parker was more than willing to use the services of pilots who decided to remain under bankruptcy wages so it is no surprise the East grew and the West shrunk. I did not see much help from USAPA other than helping themselves to all the benefits.

I guarantee you one thing, we'll be at the table, show the history and the impact on West pilots as a result of arbitration evasion. We've had a legal team in place for years, they know the opponent well. They are committed to seeing this process through to the end and will counter any attempts otherwise.

One other thing, you play like this is AA vs the former America West. Don't you have your own case to present? You need not concern yourself with our merger committee. Worry about your own merger committee.

The AA pilots need to watch you guys like an Eagle. Plug any escape routes in agreements made considering your history of evasion.

There's my answer.
 
CactusPilot1 said:
Relax

Luv
Claxon

The Nicolau arbitration said those who were actively flying at the time of the acquisition in 2005, that pilots who were actively flying at the time of the merger should not be replaced with furloughed pilots. You installed an East Union and management, it is no suprise who got recalled and who was furloughed. The arbitration called for no windfalls, guess what you got your winfall already so don't expect and windfall with AA. History will show the airline which was hiring at the time of the acquisition (America West) stopped until the East pilots were recalled. West pilots got furloughed by their new East bosses. Parker was more than willing to use the services of pilots who decided to remain under bankruptcy wages so it is no surprise the East grew and the West shrunk. I did not see much help from USAPA other than helping themselves to all the benefits.

I guarantee you one thing, we'll be at the table, show the history and the impact on West pilots as a result of arbitration evasion. We've had a legal team in place for years, they know the opponent well. They are committed to seeing this process through to the end and will counter any attempts otherwise.

One other thing, you play like this is AA vs the former America West. Don't you have your own case to present? You need not concern yourself with our merger committee. Worry about your own merger committee.

The AA pilots need to watch you guys like an Eagle. Plug any escape routes in agreements made considering your history of evasion.

There's my answer.
Your toast. Your own legal team told you it's over.



This is going to be fun to watch. Gotta couple of PM's from AA guys waiting for your answer from Clax.
 
luvthe9 said:
Your toast. Your own legal team told you it's over.
This is going to be fun to watch.
I think I would be in a position to know otherwise.

You're a dumba$$.
 
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