2015 Pilot Discussion.

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

The work of another arbitrator is powerful evidence of a fair result and that evidence will be part of the West's presentation. 😉

I think the words " appropiate method " we're mentioned , only a lot of arbs mentioned that method that went thru a couple of major airline merger changes since ours. It had to be changed, ie ALPA did change to try to fix an ill that satisfied a dues paying scenerio, My guess for what it is worth the 9th will uphold USAPA, leading to another appeal, (MBOND)that will be mentioned and actually spelled correctly and eventually will be enforced on APA, not like the arb panels decision in APA land, the TWA pilots will get an injunction, and by the time most EAST pilots retire, the feces , rock sending , tieing up the safety hotline pilots who claim they did nothing wrong ,will actually stagnate worse off than if they " only had a brain" ! MM.

 

[luvthe9]

Ok, I know your game. You want me to start bickering with you again!. It just goes on and on.

Just tell us how the APA will embrace your NIC, easy question for a simple mind.

 

[end_of_alpa]

$3,629.56!  What could you do with three thousand six hundred twenty-nine dollars and fifty-six cents?  Well, nine Reps at the Allied Pilots Association, better known as the APA to those of us that pay for the "privilege" of having our dues taken from our paychecks, spent $3,629 dollars of our dues money celebrating at a dinner.
 
Let me say that again.  9 APA Reps spent $3,629 on one dinner and you paid for it.  In case the math escapes you at the moment, that is over $400 per person!  This was just for food and beverages and a tip.
 
What was the dinner for, you might ask?  They were celebrating the passing of the contract.  Can you imagine how much they would have spent had they actually gotten an industry leading contract instead of a concessionary contract?  
 
I can understand if they celebrated getting profit sharing, or perhaps a commitment to keeping our health care or even getting parity with Delta plus 1%.  But these "Gentlemen" (and I use the word with all the sarcasm I can put in that word) spent three thousand six hundred dollars of our money to celebrate a concessionary contract!
 
In fact, the Boston Rep, Steve Bacon in a letter to his pilots had the affront to name other past excursions into a "never land" of money spending extravaganzas as an excuse to spend your money with abandon!  Then he damned all that would question his extravagance at your expense.  Of course, he is not running for re-election.  They just don't get it.  It's NOT their money.  It's OUR money. 
 
Let me make one thing perfectly clear before I name these "Representatives" in name only.  Not one of the Reps from either Charlotte or Philadelphia participated nor would they.  They are as outraged about this as we are.
 
Here are the Reps of shame and their bases:
 
BOSTON:
Jim Dillard  (not running for re-election)
Steve  Bacon (not running for re-election)
 
CHICAGO:
Scott Abbot
Todd Hooper (running for re-election)
 
LOS ANGELES:
Steve Roach (running for re-election)
Bill Boyd (running for re-election)
 
ST LOUIS:
Rob Powell
Marc Speigle
 
La Guardia:
Bill Gary
 
As far as I'm concerned, they show the pilots here a complete lack of respect by spending our money without our permission.  A few are running for re-election.  The pilots at those bases should remember this incident and how little respect they had for their pilots and vote accordingly.
 
As for all nine, they need to resign as Reps.  After this incident became public, they each kicked in $150, but only after they got caught and it became public and were shamed.  This dinner wasn't just a mistake or an oversight.  This was a deliberate attempt to live very lavishly at our expense and damn the pilots they represent.  They seem to forget they are pilots first and owe us that. If they had any integrity, they should pay the entire bill.
 
The following is a copy of the actual restaurant receipt:
 
CACHAREL
2221 E. Lamar Blvd #910
Arlington, Tx  76006
(817) 640-9981
Check#:  45929  Guests:  0
Date:  01/30/15  Time: 05:44 pm
Terminal:  99 Table: 12
You have been served by -->  Chris
-------------------------------------------------------------------
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--(Seat 1) -----------------------------------------------------
5 Guinness  $32.50
1 Crown Royal  $10.00
3 Sam Adams Lager  $19.50
4  Btl Jordan  $480.00
1  Btl  Bonsard  $99.00
4  Jumbo Shrimp Cocktails  $54.00
9  Hors d oeuvres  $166.50
3  Salvenie  12yrs  $42.00
2  Btl Stags Leap  $240.00
1  Btl Caymus  $169.00
1  Btl Opus One  $299.00
1  Btl PHELPS INSIGNIA $349.00
--(Seat 2)------------------------------------------------------
1 Side Bernaise Sauce  $4.50
1 Side Blue Cheese  $14.25
1 Creamed Spinach  $8.50
2 Side Roasted Garlic  $17.00
1 Side Asparagus W/Mol  $9.50
1 Sauteed Mushroom Ca  $8.50
2 Side Baked Potato  $17.00
3 Side Au Gratin  $28.50
1 Side French Green Bean $8.50
--Seat 3)-------------------------------------------------------
3 Bf Stk Tomato Salad  $28.50
1 Scallops  $33.50
3 8oz Filet Mignon  $104.25
3 13oz Kobe NYStrip  $223.50
1 Lobster Tail  $68.50
2 Petite/Herb Lobster  $90.00
1 Watercress  $10.50
1 Ice Cream  $9.50
1 Banana Souffle  $9.50
1 Chocolate Souffle  $9.50
1 Cheese Cake  $9.50
2 Grand Marnier  $24.00
1 Baileys  $10.00
2 Remy Martin VSOP  $30.00
4 Cappucino  $19.00
-------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Subtotal:  $2, 788.50
FOOD TAX:  $78.76
Mixed Bev Tax:  $148.83
Sub W/Tax:  $3, 016.09
Gratuity:  $613.47
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Visa  $3,629.56
Thank you!!
Visit our Banquet Rooms!
 
Each Rep signed the back of the check to acknowledge that they were there and for APA to pay the bill.  
 
Let's set aside for the moment that this was stealing from the pilots.  Here is also why this is important and this why it will affect us in the future.  The day is fast approaching when no one will be required to pay dues to a union.  Extravaganzas like this is why pilots will opt out of the union.  After all, why would I pay dues so someone that claims he represents me pays $400 for a dinner on my dime and than attempts to hide it?
 
This is what killed ALPA for us and will kill the APA in the future as it is killing unions in states that already have "right to work" laws.  These Reps, represent the very worst in unionism and why unions have lost their place in America.  The leaders of these unions forget who they are, where they come from and who they represent.  But we have not forgotten.  
 
There needs to be accountability and before this behavior continues, we should insist this will never happen again.  It may have been business as usual at the Old APA, but we US Airways Pilots now have a stake in what happens here and so do the American Legacy pilots at the bases these men pretend to represent.  Pass the word.
 
On another issue, I have also been asked about the law suit the Army of Leonidas (has an army ever been mis-named) filed against each of the officers and reps of USAPA past and present.  First of all, this is a ploy to get more money from their pilots.  They need to show they are doing something....anything to collect money.  It's no secret they are short funded and they are trying to gin up more support.
 
In addition, their attorneys are continuing to accumulate billable hours.  Cha-ching!
You can't sue representatives of a union for voting!  They represent the views of the people that have elected them, just like the West Reps did.  Notice they were not sued.  In spite of the warnings from Chip Munn and others that the sky is once again falling on USAPA and they had better acquiesce immediately or suffer unbearable torture, their latest attempt will go the way all the others have....no where.
 
The beat goes on.......
 
Bill Glynn

 

[EastCheats]

Just tell us how the APA will embrace your NIC, easy question for a simple mind.

You must be confused about the process. The APA, the East and the West make their case to the arbitrators. That's the the way it's done, embrace the methodology. 😉

 

[EastCheats]

I think the words " appropiate method " we're mentioned , only a lot of arbs mentioned that method that went thru a couple of major airline merger changes since ours. It had to be changed, ie ALPA did change to try to fix an ill that satisfied a dues paying scenerio, My guess for what it is worth the 9th will uphold USAPA, leading to another appeal, (MBOND)that will be mentioned and actually spelled correctly and eventually will be enforced on APA, not like the arb panels decision in APA land, the TWA pilots will get an injunction, and by the time most EAST pilots retire, the feces , rock sending , tieing up the safety hotline pilots who claim they did nothing wrong ,will actually stagnate worse off than if they " only had a brain" ! MM.

What is this uphold USAPA you speak? You mean not overturning Judge Silver's ruling where she calls your victory pyrrhic?

Leonidas update after the ruling:
"Judge Silver called USAPAs victory on McCakill-Bond Pyrrhic because USAPA, once again driven by its single-minded need to oppress West Pilots, has been the mastermind of its own march towards irrelevance. USAPA took the position that only the certified bargaining agent can determine who can participate in McCaskill-Bond in an effort to prevent West participation. Once again, USAPA did not think through its legal strategy because Judge Silvers acceptance of that argument means that once USAPA ceases to be a collective bargaining agent it cannot participate in McCakill-Bond or seniority integration. Judge Silver was unequivocal on this point: when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration. Doc. 298 at pg. 21:11-12. We will enforce the Court's ruling that USAPA cannot be involved in seniority integration at the earliest practicable date."

So, you "won" in Silver's court. The flip side is the 9th rules that she got it wrong and rules in favor of the West.

Now, do you finally get the reason the West filed the appeal? I'm glad you are as excited about the appeal as the West. 😉

 

[EastCheats]

I think the words " appropiate method " we're mentioned , only a lot of arbs mentioned that method that went thru a couple of major airline merger changes since ours. It had to be changed, ie ALPA did change to try to fix an ill that satisfied a dues paying scenerio, My guess for what it is worth the 9th will uphold USAPA, leading to another appeal, (MBOND)that will be mentioned and actually spelled correctly and eventually will be enforced on APA, not like the arb panels decision in APA land, the TWA pilots will get an injunction, and by the time most EAST pilots retire, the feces , rock sending , tieing up the safety hotline pilots who claim they did nothing wrong ,will actually stagnate worse off than if they " only had a brain" ! MM.

About those rock sending West pilots. I call BS. We have evidence that you had a plan already drawn up to quiet opposition. What better way than to try to pin racketeering charges on them? Accusations thrown out.

Leonidas explains the situation well:
Over the past six years, a certain segment of former US Airways pilots have used USAPA as a weapon, engaging in a relentless campaign to denigrate and intimidate the former America West pilots in order to justify their quest to jettison their obligations from 2005. USAPA's singular goal has been to substitute their own contrived seniority list in place of an agreed upon arbitrated decision arrived at after an arbitrators careful consideration of all the facts and equities of our unique merger situation. West pilot unity has provided a robust defense against an immoral union supported by management.

While we didn't pick this fight, defending ourselves has been worth the effort. Had we not stood up to USAPA the West pilots would have been stapled long ago and there would be no need for APA and the company to consider West pilot interest in a fair SLI process. USAPA's desperate efforts litigating in Washington DC, and opposing SCS are aimed at keeping the West pilots out of the process at all costs because our presence will prevent USAPA from unilaterally dictating what US Airways seniority list will become part of the integrated seniority list.

As the new minority, USAPA has chosen to turn its tactics against APA and New American with multiple legal actions on multiple fronts designed to prolong its reign and exclude the past and future seniority interests of former America West pilots. USAPA's primary disagreement with APA over the protocol revolves around the inclusion of the former AWA pilots as a separate party to the seniority integration. USAPA also disagrees that APA will have absolute control over the process and the ability to amend the agreements as APA and the company see fit. This was USAPA's very own strategy when it assumed the role as the collective bargaining agent from ALPA. Today, the shoe is on the other foot and USAPA leaders do not like the idea that APA may do unto them as USAPA has done unto the West Pilots.

 

[Claxon]

Just tell us how the APA will embrace your NIC, easy question for a simple mind.

The mighty Army of Leonidas is very hesitant to reveal their master plan for furloughed American Airlines pilots. They have revealed their scheme for east pilots after their failed Nic list. Mitchell Vaselino and others know the wrath of THOUSANDS of Legacy American pilots will head their way.
Spinthis/ Eastcheats/ Cactuspilot1 will not divulge their position. Continue to flush them out into the light. It is no secret west pilots view any furlough time as a weapon to be used.

 

[Claxon]

Eastcheats: Do Legacy American pilots who have been furloughed and just recalled get put on the bottom of all west pilots?

 

[EastCheats]

The mighty Army of Leonidas is very hesitant to reveal their master plan for furloughed American Airlines pilots. They have revealed their scheme for east pilots after their failed Nic list. Mitchell Vaselino and others know the wrath of THOUSANDS of Legacy American pilots will head their way.
Spinthis/ Eastcheats/ Cactuspilot1 will not divulge their position. Continue to flush them out into the light. It is no secret west pilots view any furlough time as a weapon to be used.

Eastcheats: Do Legacy American pilots who have been furloughed and just recalled get put on the bottom of all west pilots?

AWE Claxfud

When you have nothing you get Claxfud and those who LuvClaxfud

 

[Claxon]

AWE Claxfud
When you have nothing you get Claxfud and those who LuvClaxfud

Exactly as expected. You dodged the issue. Your plan for furloughed American pilots is a staple job below every west pilot.

 

[EastCheats]

Exactly as expected. You dodged the issue. Your plan for furloughed American pilots is a staple job below every west pilot.

It appears you are the one with the stapler. How do you plan to use it?

 

[EastCheats]

Come on Claxfud, answer the question.

 

[EastCheats]

Quit dodging the question, Claxfud.

 

[EastCheats]

Do you have to ask Luv?

 

[EastCheats]

Just as I thought.