2015 Pilot Discussion.

[xUT]

You point please sir?  Please refer to your previous posts in the link provided below before passing judgment.  The history of your previous existentialist like posts certainly prove your qualifications for the exchange of ideas in this pilot thread.
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/user/16328-xut/

 
1234 Playable Words can be made from "EXISTENTIALISM"
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[EastCheats]

1234 Playable Words can be made from "EXISTENTIALISM"
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Welcome aboard.

Rule #1. Use small words with Usapians. Small minds at work.

 

[EastCheats]

Appealed and dismissed as not ripe.
Us airways DJ case. For USAPA and standing law.
AOL v uS Airways and USAPA. No DFR, no reason to appoint a West committee, no money to you.
Loser.

Drink and post much?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Key word appropriate method,that method was sited and mentioned, in UAL, CAL, by ALPA as being a method that was not acceptable, causation a MAJOR change in ALPA merger policy, not to mention MBOND , which will ultimately prevail, in well 2019' maybe!

 

[CactusPilot1]

Appealed and dismissed as not ripe.
Us airways DJ case. For USAPA and standing law.
AOL v uS Airways and USAPA. No DFR, no reason to appoint a West committee, no money to you.
Loser.

The APA made it clear there were very good reasons to appoint a West committee. It's done. Get over it.

"Here, if the interests of the pilots on the US Airways (West) Seniority List are not fully aired in the seniority integration arbitration, APA would be potentially vulnerable to a DFR suit by the West Pilots on the basis that APA discriminated against them by subordinating their interests to the largerand therefore more politically powerful East Pilot group. See Addington III, 2014 WL 321349, at *7 (rejecting USAPAs argument that it "[wa]s free to treat the West Pilots poorly because that is what the majority of its members wish it to do"), *12 (noting that "USAPA avoided liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins"). Indeed, the West Pilots have made clear that, if denied an opportunity to participate in the seniority integration arbitration, they intend to bring just such a suit. By designating a separate merger committee to represent the West Pilots, APA ensures "a fair process for determining seniority in an airline resulting from a merger" and thus inoculates itself against such a claim. Air Wisconsin, 909 F.2d. at 216 (emphasis omitted). APA must therefore have the authority to take such steps to minimize any potential breach of its duty to the West Pilots. See Ford Motor Co., 345 U.S. at 339.
Moreover, the designation of a West Committee in no way prejudices or discriminates against the East Pilots. By designating a West Committee, APA would simply give the East Pilots, the legacy American pilots, and the West Pilots the same opportunity to make their case to 30
the neutral arbitration panel a "fair process" that is "as likely to yield an award in favor of [one pilot group] as it is in favor of [another]." Air Wisconsin, 909 F.2d at 216 (emphasis omitted). Furthermore, as shown above, designation of a West Committee is related to the "legitimate union objective[]," Lockridge, 403 U.S. at 301, of ensuring that the interests of the West Pilots are adequately represented in the seniority arbitration.
Thus APAs designation of a West Committee cannot be deemed to violate the DFR obligation by discriminating against the East Pilots."

 

[xUT]

You point please sir?  Please refer to your previous posts in the link provided below before passing judgment.  The history of your previous existentialist like posts certainly prove your qualifications for the exchange of ideas in this pilot thread.
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/user/16328-xut/

You a$$holes in general?
Thanks, my ESOP was quite enough... 😛
 
You myopic a$$clowns could rule aviation unions but are too stupid to see it.
 
Regardless, please continue the back stabbing and testosterone fueled postings.
 
IMHO,
Helo pilots have more guts than any of you 'fly boys' doing a bomb run at 30000 ft.
 
B) xUT

 

[im back..!!]

6 more days......cactus what?

 

[end_of_alpa]

The APA made it clear there were very good reasons to appoint a West committee. It's done. Get over it.

"Here, if the interests of the pilots on the US Airways (West) Seniority List are not fully aired in the seniority integration arbitration, APA would be potentially vulnerable to a DFR suit by the West Pilots on the basis that APA discriminated against them by subordinating their interests to the largerand therefore more politically powerful East Pilot group. See Addington III, 2014 WL 321349, at *7 (rejecting USAPAs argument that it "[wa]s free to treat the West Pilots poorly because that is what the majority of its members wish it to do"), *12 (noting that "USAPA avoided liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins"). Indeed, the West Pilots have made clear that, if denied an opportunity to participate in the seniority integration arbitration, they intend to bring just such a suit. By designating a separate merger committee to represent the West Pilots, APA ensures "a fair process for determining seniority in an airline resulting from a merger" and thus inoculates itself against such a claim. Air Wisconsin, 909 F.2d. at 216 (emphasis omitted). APA must therefore have the authority to take such steps to minimize any potential breach of its duty to the West Pilots. See Ford Motor Co., 345 U.S. at 339.
Moreover, the designation of a West Committee in no way prejudices or discriminates against the East Pilots. By designating a West Committee, APA would simply give the East Pilots, the legacy American pilots, and the West Pilots the same opportunity to make their case to 30
the neutral arbitration panel a "fair process" that is "as likely to yield an award in favor of [one pilot group] as it is in favor of [another]." Air Wisconsin, 909 F.2d at 216 (emphasis omitted). Furthermore, as shown above, designation of a West Committee is related to the "legitimate union objective[]," Lockridge, 403 U.S. at 301, of ensuring that the interests of the West Pilots are adequately represented in the seniority arbitration.
Thus APAs designation of a West Committee cannot be deemed to violate the DFR obligation by discriminating against the East Pilots."

And the beat goes on.......

 

[end_of_alpa]

Drink and post much?

I have to be able to communicate on the lowest level that you Westicles don't even understand.

 

[Claxon]

I have to be able to communicate on the lowest level that you Westicles don't even understand.

The latest PHX domicile update is rather alarming.
Still no reveal by any west pilot poster on their scheme to crush the careers of legacy AA furloughed pilots.
Still no explanation by Eric Ferguson as to why he did not take the Nic yrs ago.
The west 2004 hires have destroyed the careers of all west pilots.
Mitchell Vasin has grossly misused his status as a " lawyer"

 

[dariencc]

Mitchell Vasin has grossly misused his status as a " lawyer"

 
Arizona Summit Law School.  What a complete waste of money.

 

[CactusPilot1]

6 more days......cactus what?

I guess we get to be Merican. I'm glad to be done with the US Airways era. I'm not the only one....

Transition from Cactus to Merican call sign discussion:

What will the east boys do?
Can we expect a this is unsafe campaign?
After all the paint does not match the call sign

Any excuse is a "good" excuse for those children!

Dead livery?"
"Useless colors?"
"Passe' paint?"
"livery without integrity"
"scab livery"
"easthole livery"

Bankruptcy=Acquired livery

Is this safe? We haven't been trained to use this new call sign. Do we get IOE?

Useless Airways... Sounds almost sort of just like it.

Will miss Cactus call sign but so glad I never had to say ....... You know the name of that crappy company we bought

The REAL last Cactus flight was flown on the AWA certificate - a certificate unblemished by East pilots.

To this date I never said USAirways in a PA, or on the radio. And when ever asked I always say I am an America West pilot, we bought USAirways when they were in BK and the company elected to keep the USAirways name. I never want to be directly associated with those losers!

Legacy USAirways and it's pilots are an embarrassment to the industry.
Enough said.

They are an embarrassment to our industry, profession, and often our passengers

 

[EastCheats]

I guess we get to be Merican. I'm glad to be done with the US Airways era. I'm not the only one....

Transition from Cactus to Merican call sign discussion:

What will the east boys do?
Can we expect a this is unsafe campaign?
After all the paint does not match the call sign

Any excuse is a "good" excuse for those children!

Dead livery?"
"Useless colors?"
"Passe' paint?"
"livery without integrity"
"scab livery"
"easthole livery"

Bankruptcy=Acquired livery

Is this safe? We haven't been trained to use this new call sign. Do we get IOE?

Useless Airways... Sounds almost sort of just like it.

Will miss Cactus call sign but so glad I never had to say ....... You know the name of that crappy company we bought

The REAL last Cactus flight was flown on the AWA certificate - a certificate unblemished by East pilots.

To this date I never said USAirways in a PA, or on the radio. And when ever asked I always say I am an America West pilot, we bought USAirways when they were in BK and the company elected to keep the USAirways name. I never want to be directly associated with those losers!

Legacy USAirways and it's pilots are an embarrassment to the industry.
Enough said.

They are an embarrassment to our industry, profession, and often our passengers

 
I have to say, I will miss the Pitt schedulers. Great group.
 
Too bad we can't leave the Usapians there and take the schedulers. Oh well... 😉

 

[Claxon]

I guess we get to be Merican. I'm glad to be done with the US Airways era. I'm not the only one....
Transition from Cactus to Merican call sign discussion:
What will the east boys do?
Can we expect a this is unsafe campaign?
After all the paint does not match the call sign
Any excuse is a "good" excuse for those children!
Dead livery?"
"Useless colors?"
"Passe' paint?"
"livery without integrity"
"scab livery"
"easthole livery"
Bankruptcy=Acquired livery
Is this safe? We haven't been trained to use this new call sign. Do we get IOE?
Useless Airways... Sounds almost sort of just like it.
Will miss Cactus call sign but so glad I never had to say ....... You know the name of that crappy company we bought
The REAL last Cactus flight was flown on the AWA certificate - a certificate unblemished by East pilots.
To this date I never said USAirways in a PA, or on the radio. And when ever asked I always say I am an America West pilot, we bought USAirways when they were in BK and the company elected to keep the USAirways name. I never want to be directly associated with those losers!
Legacy USAirways and it's pilots are an embarrassment to the industry.
Enough said.
They are an embarrassment to our industry, profession, and often our passengers

You, are the embarrassment. Worldwide. Australia.....

Average Annual Wages and Salaries - PILOT AND CO-PILOT PERSONNEL
NO ADJUSTMENTS MADE
1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
American $ - $ 116,470 $ 131,651 $ 137,971 $ 130,099 $ 132,477 $ 123,244 $ 126,335 $ 130,019 $ 129,947 $ 137,734 $ 138,290 $ 138,743 $ 138,792 $ 137,482 $ 139,872
Continental $ 90,461 $ 108,561 $ 124,152 $ 154,401 $ 161,395 $ 166,752 $ 163,624 $ 136,686 $ 140,028 $ 145,061 $ 128,724 $ 123,618 $ 133,318 $ 136,253 $ 150,211 $ 156,458
Delta $ 129,315 $ 134,016 $ 131,249 $ 121,885 $ 143,880 $ 150,549 $ 185,982 $ 173,365 $ 197,380 $ 209,330 $ 155,532 $ 127,268 $ 128,756 $ 125,616 $ 132,374 $ 142,800
Northwest $ 154,635 $ 131,641 $ 126,107 $ 142,578 $ 128,100 $ 134,441 $ 138,427 $ 148,084 $ 161,931 $ 169,208 $ 143,618 $ 117,556 $ 132,009 $ 120,798 $ 146,675 $ -
United $ 135,728 $ 146,249 $ 147,212 $ 135,886 $ 117,920 $ 132,126 $ 138,627 $ 184,429 $ 116,998 $ 132,010 $ 115,242 $ 114,985 $ 115,711 $ 119,460 $ 125,465 $ 123,958
US Airways $ 127,154 $ 132,437 $ 135,623 $ 135,762 $ 128,722 $ 119,513 $ 157,090 $ 153,587 $ 154,638 $ 132,741 $ 120,124 $ 91,419 $ 103,487 $ 113,851 $ 111,329 $ 110,199
America West $ 77,093 $ 82,589 $ 86,289 $ 85,117 $ 75,045 $ 99,221 $ 99,301 $ 92,148 $ 92,111 $ 100,269 $ 101,279 $ - $ - $ - $ - $ -
--sub Network $ 98,728 $ 128,147 $ 132,550 $ 134,301 $ 129,881 $ 136,773 $ 146,041 $ 150,515 $ 145,082 $ 150,572 $ 133,466 $ 120,889 $ 126,615 $ 127,031 $ 133,979 $ 136,634
Southwest $ 107,109 $ 106,862 $ 110,905 $ - $ 109,958 $ 110,601 $ 112,259 $ 117,558 $ 130,069 $ 144,511 $ 157,420 $ 165,882 $ 167,112 $ 172,750 $ 176,726 $ 166,573
jetBlue $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 22,132 $ 56,644 $ 93,332 $ 93,532 $ 95,841 $ 96,734 $ 98,927 $ 105,893 $ 107,647 $ 124,680 $ 140,546
AirTran $ 54,838 $ 65,770 $ 68,926 $ 75,335 $ 85,709 $ 89,593 $ 98,055 $ 95,809 $ 96,527 $ 99,311 $ 100,952 $ 104,265 $ 108,549
Frontier $ - $ - $ - $ 27,592 $ 29,091 $ 37,516 $ 102,065 $ 109,865 $ 110,417 $ 112,256 $ 99,879 $ 102,726 $ 108,905 $ 107,707 $ 96,119 $ 101,126
Virgin America $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 73,576 $ 64,292
--sub LCC $ 104,933 $ 102,696 $ 90,662 $ 42,482 $ 94,394 $ 93,100 $ 103,964 $ 110,930 $ 118,997 $ 129,200 $ 134,414 $ 138,041 $ 140,335 $ 141,328 $ 147,776 $ 145,654
Alaska $ 104,893 $ 106,838 $ 114,791 $ 52,344 $ 52,773 $ 132,140 $ 141,808 $ 151,734 $ 163,211 $ 160,974 $ 145,953 $ 129,620 $ 130,022 $ 132,877 $ 163,096 $ 150,061
Hawaiian $ 74,565 $ 75,803 $ 79,762 $ 76,402 $ 1,859,096 $ 79,289 $ 90,924 $ 111,463 $ 105,289 $ 121,216 $ 132,782 $ 125,350 $ 126,812 $ - $ 117,351 $ 120,097
Allegiant $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 47,559 $ 47,861 $ 56,870 $ 65,419 $ 83,839
-- sub Other $ 98,089 $ 100,372 $ 107,795 $ 54,637 $ 61,422 $ 119,120 $ 130,189 $ 142,453 $ 146,566 $ 147,649 $ 132,102 $ 121,036 $ 118,392 $ 118,887 $ 137,507 $ 131,830
Total All Sectors $ 99,011 $ 125,956 $ 129,090 $ 127,624 $ 123,509 $ 132,567 $ 141,695 $ 145,965 $ 141,849 $ 147,394 $ 133,569 $ 124,080 $ 129,065 $ 129,802 $ 137,194 $ 138,598
Note: Shaded data means data appear questionable.
Data Source: US DOT Form 41 via BTS, Schedule P6 & P10.

 

[CactusPilot1]

I have to say, I will miss the Pitt schedulers. Great group.
 
Too bad we can't leave the Usapians there and take the schedulers. Oh well... 😉

Agreed