2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

 
Were you dropped on your head as a child? 

 
 
 
Unlike your own strange perspective; I've no fantasies of personally being the center of all the universe. One must generously assign your clueless oblivion regarding anything beyond the PHX "Fishbowl" as a causal factor, I suppose. Were you "dropped on your head as a child", in that you actually found it somehow possible to miss the "managements throughout the industry gut contracts and steal pensions"? Repeat: "throughout the industry"...?

 

[EastUS1]

 
....... clearly don't understand that the Nicolau list is the PRODUCT of a MUTUALLY AGREED UPON PROCESS.  As such, you have NO RIGHT to ALTER that product in any way, shape or form.  In other words.....doing so was deemed to be a breech of USAPA's DUTY OF FAIR REPRESENTATION. 
 
You know, like the 9th RULED.

 
And the current board of arbitrators should lose sleep over any of that meaningless drivel?...Especially the part about "NO RIGHT to ALTER that product in any way, shape or form"?....Seriously? The arbitrators can do pretty much whatever they want. Your personal fantasies in no way constrain them at all.
 
I've no notions of what they'll come up with. Neither do "you'se"....Period.

 

[EastUS1]

......more pretzle logic. ....

 
I'd have to kindly caution such as yourself from ever daring to engage an actual pretzel in any farcical exercise of even attempted "logic" on your part. The smart money would necessarily have to be on the pretzel.

 

[Phoenix]

Oh Scotty.....more pretzle logic. Good for you.

You persist without warrant to call me Scotty.. and dare to speak of logic. Ha.

Courts have no warrant to take money from one group and give it to another unless there is a contract (that settlement you dream of) or a finding of damages (that Marty still doesn't have after 10 years).

Seems to me Marty or Eric may have overplayed their hand in the recent attempt to settle/extort USAPA.

Good luck!!

 

[nic4us]

 
 
 
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no quorum present, does the treasury release any money?  
 
Seeing the courts have yet to find any damages will the lawyers be able to change the court's mind before the money runs out?  

 
If a gavel falls in a courtroom, and there is no quorum present, does the treasury have any money to release?
 
 
Seeing the courts have the ability to seize assets and imprison for contempt, will the defendants pay out of pocket when the money runs out?

 

[nic4us]

 
"You'se" were offered a compromise that fully protected PHX from east intrusion, with the stipulation that bidding out from PHX would be done based on date of hire. Explain exactly how that represented any attempt to "steal the West's seniority positions"...? Just curious here; is it even at all actually possible that you can honestly believe your own BS?

 
No such compromise was offered....ever!!!!
 
The stipulation the scab union proffered was "PHX" pilots would have first right of refusal to "PHX" positions, but east pilots once in "PHX" would be considered "PHX" and use their uscaba seniority.  
 
No worries though....scab union never got a single change to LOA93, the TA or the Nic.

 

[cactusboy53]

I'd have to kindly caution such as yourself from ever daring to engage an actual pretzel in any farcical exercise of even attempted "logic" on your part. The smart money would necessarily have to be on the pretzel.

Awesome comeback, Captain Crunch (not really).

 

[EastUS1]

Awesome comeback, Captain Crunch (not really).

 
It takes little for anyone to throw one both too fast and too far over your head. I've sometimes wondered: Are "you'se" self-styled "spartans" truly, anywhere nearly as just-plain-"simple" as posting history would indicate?....Or have you all just been pretending all along?

 

[EastUS1]

 
No such compromise was offered....ever!!!!

 
Umm..."sure" it wasn't. Nice try.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Sorry Michael.  You CLEARY.....sorry clearly don't understand that the Nicolau list is the PRODUCT of a MUTUALLY AGREED UPON PROCESS.  As such, you have NO RIGHT to ALTER that product in any way, shape or form.

 
Here's a small clue for "you'se" educational benefit and personal life progress: ANY contract/treaty/agreement between people(s) can and should be altered whenever mutually gainful processes are thwarted, and the instrument serves only to ensure mutual loss. Of course that process requires minds a bit more mature than those busy bellowing out "This is Sparta!" and nonsensically babbling about being "battle"-tested-"knights"/"dire wolves"/supposed "soldiers" purely inside Fantasyland/etc. Just after the nic "award" came out of the closet; I long ago posted the obvious observation that; "Umm...Guys and Gals?...This nic thing's not going to actually work. Can we talk?" Nearly 9 years later, and "you'se" have NOTHING to show for your efforts but stomachs overflowing with futile bile and the doubtlessly "proud" feelings that must come from foolishly enriching worthless lawyers everywhere. Well; that's not entirely true, since you've a collection of childish ties and T shirts to solace yourselves...No matter. "Heroically" revel in "you'se"...umm..."righteous" intransigence as felt best, but stop with all the childish whining...and any/all of mighty "sparta's" purely hollow chest-beating's been proved entirely laughable for many years now....Just sayin'...
 
The arbitrators will do as they see fit to, and I'll just offer up the hope that all those who will live with whatever outcome's to be, for years to come, may find some mutual peace and acceptance. This whole insanity's been the product of the worst traits within human nature. Striped-arsed baboons could scrabble with each other in both more purposeful and certainly more dignified style. For myself, if I'm to take your nic nonsense to the reduced level of just a purely selfish perspective? "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." If "you'se" magically gained both the nic and even total supremacy over all of the "New" (but hardly improved) American Airlines?...I'd lose nothing whatsoever, but I could never get myself to become an adoring fan of the idea of seeing wholly undeserving buffoons like "you'se" self (and even your newest hired) artificially and insanely made as much as even 17 full years magically "senior" to people I've flown with for decades...Period.
 
As usual; good luck with all your fantasies....and thanks for the always dependable laughs. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

 

 

Awesome comeback, Captain Crunch (not really).

 
P.S. "Awesome" noted, but "you'se" surprisingly omitted "Dude"?...Not feeling fully up to par out there in "sparta" these days?

 

[Phoenix]

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No worries though....scab union never got a single change to LOA93, the TA or the Nic.

Change? Ha. You know all parties to the JCBA never agreed to merely change LOA93.. or any other assumed, implied, or actual agreement.

 

[A320 Driver]

Bullshirt..!!
 
First, there are 50,000 ALPA members who know that the east intentionally stripped the West of union representation in order to renege on the Nic, and take from the West our seniority positions at LCC.
 
Second, the entire premise of the scab union was they could steal the West's seniority positions and award them to east pilots.  Pretty much sums up the campaign strategy that got the scab union elected.  Promise 2500 pilots they can improve their positions by subjugating the West pilot group and advancing their positions at the West's expense.
 
Third, the reason the company "got away with it" is because the east gave it to them.  How many times in the 10 years that we were LCC was the east told they are not getting DOH?  What did the TA say in these regards?  I will tell you....Dozens of times the east was told, starting with Parker and Lakefield's statement of labor principles, followed by Nicolau, followed by judges Wake, Bybee, Tashima, Graber, Silver.  Yet, unbelievably, uscaba persisted, thinking they were gonna force everyone else to comply with their scab strategies. 
 
Further, the TA specifically laid the ground rules, and the east wanted not only to renege on the Nic but also the TA. Well too effin bad scab union, the company was never gonna collude with you and violate the TA.  They were all too happy to let you work for below union wages while maintaining their compliance with the TA.
 
Finally, it was the absolute resolve of the West to end the scab union experiment, and we prevailed!  Now, uscaba can either pay up, or be forced to pay up...makes no difference to me!

I couldn't give a hoot and a holler about USAPA. You had a choice. The company had a choice. We are where we are because the parties decided that is where they want to be.
You are a victim by choice.

 

[cactusboy53]

 
Here's a small clue for "you'se" educational benefit and personal life progress: ANY contract/treaty/agreement between people(s) can and should be altered whenever mutually gainful processes are thwarted, and the instrument serves only to ensure mutual loss. Of course that process requires minds a bit more mature than those busy bellowing out "This is Sparta!" and nonsensically babbling about being "battle"-tested-"knights"/"dire wolves"/supposed "soldiers" purely inside Fantasyland/etc. Just after the nic "award" came out of the closet; I long ago posted the obvious observation that; "Umm...Guys and Gals?...This nic thing's not going to actually work. Can we talk?" Nearly 9 years later, and "you'se" have NOTHING to show for your efforts but stomachs overflowing with futile bile and the doubtlessly "proud" feelings that must come from foolishly enriching worthless lawyers everywhere. Well; that's not entirely true, since you've a collection of childish ties and T shirts to solace yourselves...No matter. "Heroically" revel in "you'se"...umm..."righteous" intransigence as felt best, but stop with all the childish whining...and any/all of mighty "sparta's" purely hollow chest-beating's been proved entirely laughable for many years now....Just sayin'...
 
The arbitrators will do as they see fit to, and I'll just offer up the hope that all those who will live with whatever outcome's to be, for years to come, may find some mutual peace and acceptance. This whole insanity's been the product of the worst traits within human nature. Striped-arsed baboons could scrabble with each other in both more purposeful and certainly more dignified style. For myself, if I'm to take your nic nonsense to the reduced level of just a purely selfish perspective? "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." If "you'se" magically gained both the nic and even total supremacy over all of the "New" (but hardly improved) American Airlines?...I'd lose nothing whatsoever, but I could never get myself to become an adoring fan of the idea of seeing wholly undeserving buffoons like "you'se" self (and even your newest hired) artificially and insanely made as much as even 17 full years magically "senior" to people I've flown with for decades...Period.
 
As usual; good luck with all your fantasies....and thanks for the always dependable laughs. 😉

 
As usual....Funny.
 
9 years later, we have been willing to abide by the product of a MUTUALLY AGREED UPON process.  9 years later our WORD is still in tact as is our INTEGRITY.
 
You are right, the arbitrators will do as they see fit.  It is our hope (once again) that all those involve will accept and ABIDE by the product of the mutually agreed upon process (just like the last time). 
 
We have done nothing other than defend our rights as guaranteed by the process. 

 

[cactusboy53]

“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”
 
Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer

Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013