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Perhaps the best 767 winglet solution would to be for the Company to purchase the winglet kit for the A330-300... then retrofit this to the A330-300 wing and engine kit... then attach these to the A330-300 fuselage kit, complete with the vertical and horizontal stabilizer!
 
Could we get the 767's in the takeoff line up behind the departing 737-300's please? There is another airplane that can't be turned into beer cans fast enough. Talk about a tired bird. Great airplane but so was the DC-3. Get rid of them already. Good Lord. 🙄
Great airplane. Exceeds all performance aspects by all flight plans put out by our "company". Our company is directed by cretins who could not recognize excellence if smacked in their faces. It is an idiocy to blame the tool rather than the morons who wield it.
 
I guess you all forgot that when US was bleeding cash, tjhe 767 fleet was the one making the money for the company.
Agreed. Many here haven't been around long enough to realize the roll that the 767 has played for the company thru the years. Had it not been for this A/C, US may not have ANY International destinations when they merged with HP. It was PI that brought them into the mix with the merger way back in 1989 when Colodny and US had ZERO interest in serving any International destinations. At one point I believe Uncle Ed was considering canceling the remaining 767 orders that PI had placed. If it weren't for the tired old 767, US would not be able to provide the level of service it does today across the "Pond". It is obvious that IF the company had the cash to operate an all A-330 fleet that they would have done so years ago. The 767 got the job done when the company was near broke and couldn't buy squat to run the routes. Other than the few 330-200's that Doug had to beg to finance for the TLV service, not many W/B A/C have shown up on the property since 2005 that weren't already on order.
 
I don't think anyone is saying that the 767 didn't serve US well. Yes it's a great old bird who has taking the company through some really tough times but she is old, beaten up, tired and in extreme need of a makeover. The party string spray covered walls, the horrible coffin seats in Envoy and laminate coverings isn't enough of an improvement. The whole galley up front and certainly in back are terrible. Those plug in meal carts are really bad. Again, a great performing airplane that has served the company well but she is tired. Couple that with other carriers 767's flying today and you find the US fleet to be behind the competition. As for Doug getting more widebody a/c here....well that is a different topic in itself. :lol:
 
Our relative small international presence is a direct effect of Ed Colodny's myopic vision of the kind of airline he believed US would evolve in to. He may have been the USAir version of "Uncle Bill" in his cuddliness with labor, but we needed the aggression and ambition of the likes of a Bob Crandall or Steven Wolf-circa 1980s--(or even Mr. French) to have had the foresight to see that the best long term prospects for the old line carriers rested with long haul international growth. Canceling those Piedmont 767 orders has handicapped our international growth and permanently reduced US to a second-tier status among the legacies. USAir was a consistently profitable enterprise in the eighties that could have snapped up the likes of Pan-Am and become the international powerhouse that Delta is if there was a bit more foresight in the corporate offices. But, unlike Family Affair, we're still in production, although no longer prime time, but life goes on for us all as it did for Uncle Bill, Mr. French, Cissy Jody and Muffy.
 
ebwgs - AMEN to that! I remember reading articles where Uncle Ed stated he didn't know if they should be operating jets or turbo-props and the fact that they held route authority to BDA and NAS from PHL for years, but didn't initiate service.
 
Our relative small international presence is a direct effect of Ed Colodny's myopic vision of the kind of airline he believed US would evolve in to. He may have been the USAir version of "Uncle Bill" in his cuddliness with labor, but we needed the aggression and ambition of the likes of a Bob Crandall or Steven Wolf-circa 1980s--(or even Mr. French) to have had the foresight to see that the best long term prospects for the old line carriers rested with long haul international growth. Canceling those Piedmont 767 orders has handicapped our international growth and permanently reduced US to a second-tier status among the legacies. USAir was a consistently profitable enterprise in the eighties that could have snapped up the likes of Pan-Am and become the international powerhouse that Delta is if there was a bit more foresight in the corporate offices. But, unlike Family Affair, we're still in production, although no longer prime time, but life goes on for us all as it did for Uncle Bill, Mr. French, Cissy Jody and Muffy.

Couldn't agree more. He may have done a great job running a regional airline in the Northeast but he was incredibly short-sighted. Not only did he initially want to cease the CLT-LGW flight and sell the 767s, he also wanted the airline to be all-coach. Thankfully SOMEBODY in the company convinced him otherwise on both of those topics.

While I realize the 767s are old and tired, they're great airplanes that have served us well over the years, and I fondly remember the day back in 1987 when the first one arrived on the property at PI. While they may not be so comfortable for Transatlantic travel, I'd love to see them back on transcon flights like they were in the old days. Sigh. Good times.
 
Agreed. Many here haven't been around long enough to realize the roll that the 767 has played for the company thru the years. Had it not been for this A/C, US may not have ANY International destinations when they merged with HP. It was PI that brought them into the mix with the merger way back in 1989 when Colodny and US had ZERO interest in serving any International destinations. At one point I believe Uncle Ed was considering canceling the remaining 767 orders that PI had placed. If it weren't for the tired old 767, US would not be able to provide the level of service it does today across the "Pond". It is obvious that IF the company had the cash to operate an all A-330 fleet that they would have done so years ago. The 767 got the job done when the company was near broke and couldn't buy squat to run the routes. Other than the few 330-200's that Doug had to beg to finance for the TLV service, not many W/B A/C have shown up on the property since 2005 that weren't already on order.
Go ahead and remember all the "days of grandeur" <NOT> with the B767 but the airplane is OLD, Tired and cannot compete in today's arena. I am NOT a fan of the USAirways BOEING fleet and a-v-o-i-d it like the plague. Team Tempe needs to address the "Issue(s)" of an Aggressive TransAtlantic Schedule that needs a serious UPGRADE in Equipment. Boeing and MTC are synonymous in my eyes.........never seen more airplanes have more maintenance issues on a regular basis. And to think FOKKER, the infamous 'Dutch Oven' can't even give them a run for the 'title'. Hopefully an Airbus will be placed on the Sao Paulo route (should it be approved)........otherwise it will experience the same problems you see on RIO with a TIRED Bird that needs to find the desert or some desperate Third World Carrier in need of a wide body. the 767 needs To GO. PERIOD!
 
The Boeing fleet has the highest reliability rate, what are you talking about?

Airbus is a throwaway airplane with a time limited airframe, cant say the same about a boeing.
 
The Boeing fleet has the highest reliability rate, what are you talking about?

Airbus is a throwaway airplane with a time limited airframe, cant say the same about a boeing.
'RELIABLE'? <ROTFLMAO>..........I suppose if You consider Same Day Service reliable, I guess one would be impressed. Ever look at the numbers from the International Schedule, scheduled departure vs. actual? The Mighty Boeing really effects the numbers........and I am talking not only the TA flights but pretty much every caribbean flight as well. You could survey any Gate Agent, Flight Attendant and any pax which aircraft they prefer and it's an AIRBUS e-v-e-r-y flight. Ask any pax coming off the PHL-FRA route where TWO segments are offered every day, (1) on the A330, (1) on the B767........I would guarantee You what the hell they would say regarding the 767 experience. (And it wouldn't be pretty). And don't 'blow that American Made BS my way either.......there are MANY issues that effect perception vs. reality. Pilots probably LIKE the Boeing because right seat/left seat progression, Mechanics will always have their preference as well. All I am suggesting is "IF" this airline plans on competing and staying 'In the Game', it needs to offer a better RELIABLE, COMFORTABLE and UPDATED Product. The Airbus can do that..........BOEING no way. Personally, I despise the Boeing fleet so much that I will adjust my schedule to AVOID it when possible. So there..........'that's what I am talking about'.
 
Go ahead and remember all the "days of grandeur" <NOT> with the B767 but the airplane is OLD, Tired and cannot compete in today's arena. I am NOT a fan of the USAirways BOEING fleet and a-v-o-i-d it like the plague. Team Tempe needs to address the "Issue(s)" of an Aggressive TransAtlantic Schedule that needs a serious UPGRADE in Equipment. Boeing and MTC are synonymous in my eyes.........never seen more airplanes have more maintenance issues on a regular basis. And to think FOKKER, the infamous 'Dutch Oven' can't even give them a run for the 'title'. Hopefully an Airbus will be placed on the Sao Paulo route (should it be approved)........otherwise it will experience the same problems you see on RIO with a TIRED Bird that needs to find the desert or some desperate Third World Carrier in need of a wide body. the 767 needs To GO. PERIOD!

I don't know that it's specifically a Boeing vs. Airbus issue overall. I think it's more that the US Airways Boeing fleet of 767s and 737s IS indeed old and worn out, while our Airbus fleet is newer. If you look at other airlines with newer Boeings such as the 777 - heck, even the new generation 737s and 767s - I doubt they have the maintenance or reliability issues we have.
 
I don't know that it's specifically a Boeing vs. Airbus issue overall. I think it's more that the US Airways Boeing fleet of 767s and 737s IS indeed old and worn out, while our Airbus fleet is newer. If you look at other airlines with newer Boeings such as the 777 - heck, even the new generation 737s and 767s - I doubt they have the maintenance or reliability issues we have.
That's EXACTLY what I have been saying. It's not a Boeing vs. Airbus issue............it's the FACT that the US Boeing fleet needs to get an overhaul (unlikely) or needs to GO. And those B737-300's.........."I'd rather drive". They can't park those garbage trucks soon enough. My comparison of the PHL-FRA service would speak for itself. There is NO WAY the customer perception would even come close to what they experienced on the 330 vs. the 767. There isn't anything wrong with BOEING, I just don't care the US Boeing fleet.....old,worn,tired with lots of issues. (And let's not forget about the reoccuring air quality on a certain B767, which is claimed to 'be fixed'......yet several employees are STILL not back to work.) wearing Rose Coloured glasses will distort the VISUAL everytime.
 
I prefer working the A/B fleet simply because they're newer. CO flies the newest 767 fleet among the legacy carriers. I've never been on one of their 767s, but if they were in our fleet I'd gladly work them. As has been previously stated, all of our Boeings in our fleet are tired and old. I can see how a passenger would book away from them because I schedule away from them when I can. But the 76 has been a great plane for US. It's just a shame that we never got more of them while they were in their prime.
 
I prefer working the A/B fleet simply because they're newer. CO flies the newest 767 fleet among the legacy carriers. I've never been on one of their 767s, but if they were in our fleet I'd gladly work them. As has been previously stated, all of our Boeings fleet are tired and old. I can see how a passenger would book away from them because I schedule away from them when I can. But the 76 has been a great plane for US. It's just a shame that we never got more of them while they were in their prime.
The main issue here is that the company has elected not to spend the money to upgrade some aspects of the 767's. I still remember how well kept the DC-9's were right up until the end. The cabins looked very nice given their age, and the A/C overall was very well kept up. I'm sure that the financial woes have played a major role in the issues with the 767's, as well as not planning to have them in the fleet for the long term.
 
Actually, winglets for the 767-200 series are available. If Boeing wins the Air Force's NexGen tanker contract, Boeing is proposing a 767-200ER with winglets.

http://www.unitedstatestanker.com/

Putting a fuel saving modification on a refueling aircraft is somewhat ironic. It just shows how much the industry has also changed now that fuel consumption is a major design factor and part of nearly every calculation vs. the 1960s
 

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