A340's on which pilot contract?

[dariencc]

[quote name='Ifyoudon'tlikeitquit!' post='532366' date='Oct 8 2007, 12:12 AM']He's suggesting access just like he's suggesting that he's a pilot. Damn Kids!

Latest A340 rumor: They'll get here before the China runs start. Apparently, the Tempe Tombstone is seriously looking at how viable a PHX-LHR-Tel Aviv route would be. Behind the scenes, the Phoenix Airport Authority is pushing hard for it, or any other European route, but not using deadly force (yet).[/quote]



What an idiot. The so called Tel Aviv rumor began on this forum when none other than USA320Pilot repeated a supposed company "wish list" of new T/A routes that he saw on another site. With his usual sloppiness, he changed PHL-TLV to a PHX-TLV nonstop! Now it's become PHX-LHR-TLV. I love the internet.


Your big scoop is nothing more than a new permutation of 320's nonsense. But it is nice to see you both on the same page.

 

[john john]

ALPA is gone regardless of receivership.

This is not costing me a penny because I no longer pay dues to ALPA and I sent 1000 to usapa. They should make it by the first vote, if not they will the second.

Can you still vote if you don’t pay dues to ALPA? wouldn’t this be essential to vote out ALPA

 

[BoeingBoy]

Can you still vote if you don’t pay dues to ALPA?

On a joint contract while represented by ALPA - no.

On a change of unions - yes.

Jim

 

[phasersonstun2]

Amazing...I am still not convinced the 340s are ever coming to this sorry outfit and I will not believe it 100% until I see the first one break ground on the way to Peking . This is a tried and true USAir tactic, the "carrot and big stick" technique. As far as I am concerned, Dougie can shove the 340s where the sun never shines. You know, at least us Easties know, they are going to have strings attached. Just look at this thread. Oh, oh, I want to fly the big plane, oh, oh. Pilots are so predicatable and management uses that against us every time.

True... sad but true.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Company is looking at at LEAST 3 A-340's -- maybe more. The A340 will be a separate type-rating and separate bid for PHL-based crews. The crew layover in Beijing will be 40 hours. Company is also looking at flying PHL-TLV, expect an announcement on that soon. Oy....

Later,
Eye

 

[Ifyoudon'tlikeitquit!]

What an idiot. The so called Tel Aviv rumor began on this forum when none other than USA320Pilot repeated a supposed company "wish list" of new T/A routes that he saw on another site. With his usual sloppiness, he changed PHL-TLV to a PHX-TLV nonstop! Now it's become PHX-LHR-TLV. I love the internet.
Your big scoop is nothing more than a new permutation of 320's nonsense. But it is nice to see you both on the same page.

Ah, the resident curmudgeon pipes in. Better work on your critical reading skills. I never said big scoop, I said latest rumor and I have no idea where it started. Haven't read what USA320 wrote since I scroll over his posts.

You've had your say. Now go back to your lavtruck.

 

[phasersonstun2]

lol: Good one! Do people actually believe this? Heathrow's most profitable and viable routes serve the NE United States and, like it or not, PHL IS the chosen international gateway for US Airways. So, suddenly US would decide that PHX - LHR needs a route and with a 340? Didn't Doug previously mention Frankfurt being an option for PHX over LGW even?

And, the notion of LHR - TLV (maybe the wrong code?) is comical, too! Let's have one flight a day to LHR from a west base, and continue it to Israel! Let's compete head to head with El Al, British Airways, BMI, Virgin, etc. on a continuing route from a west coast US city when the majority of Israel traffic comes from the Northeast!

This is nothing against PHX -- but US is not going to base a widebody in a place with no current widebody flying or wideboyd maintenance. The planes will arrive well before the China run starts for training and proving runs, but the proving runs will likely mimic the 330's intro to the fleet: PHL-MIA, PHL-SJU, etc.

Look for this to happen... along with other Intl. routes out of PHX, higher pay scale or not. US management will only wait so long for the pilots E & W to reach an accord, then management will go ahead and do what they must do for the future.

Reason?

PHL airport authority is f******g with US. We do not have any more gates to fly Intl. out of PHL, so all future Intl. expansion will have to be out of PHX or CLT.

 

[ringmaruf]

Company is looking at at LEAST 3 A-340's -- maybe more. The A340 will be a separate type-rating and separate bid for PHL-based crews. The crew layover in Beijing will be 40 hours. Company is also looking at flying PHL-TLV, expect an announcement on that soon. Oy....

Later,
Eye

The number I heard was 5. 3 old leased ones for China and 2 new ones from Airbus for TLV. (Of course, I'd imagine the planes won't be relegated to just one of the routes.

 

[dariencc]

Don't think so, Junebug.

You've got me mixed up with 700UW/aka Lavman.
Thanks for the big rumor. I'll see you guys on the widebodies. In about 2019.

 

[dariencc]

Look for this to happen... along with other Intl. routes out of PHX, higher pay scale or not. US management will only wait so long for the pilots E & W to reach an accord, then management will go ahead and do what they must do for the future.

Reason?

PHL airport authority is f******g with US. We do not have any more gates to fly Intl. out of PHL, so all future Intl. expansion will have to be out of PHX or CLT.

New mayor coming in a few months. The Street family cartel at the airport is finally on the way out. Look for Rendell/Nutter/Parker to have a meeting of the minds.

 

[autofixer]

Phasersonstun2:

Peking will leave at 1000. The European flights leave at 1700-1800 time period. Gate space is NOT a factor. I would even bet TelAviv would leave around 1300.

 

[dariencc]

Phasersonstun2:

Peking will leave at 1000. The European flights leave at 1700-1800 time period. Gate space is NOT a factor.

Check the arrival time from PEK. Kind of blows a hole in your theory.

I would even bet TelAviv would leave around 1300.

Don't bet the ranch. TLV flights at CAL and DL leave much later than that.

 

[Coffee_Tea_Or_Me]

Look for this to happen... along with other Intl. routes out of PHX, higher pay scale or not. US management will only wait so long for the pilots E & W to reach an accord, then management will go ahead and do what they must do for the future.

Reason?

PHL airport authority is f******g with US. We do not have any more gates to fly Intl. out of PHL, so all future Intl. expansion will have to be out of PHX or CLT.

I know people are not fans of Doug Parker, but do we all think he is blatantly lying when he talks about the money PHL makes the company? It is the strongest hub for O&D traffic and does not need to heavily rely upon connecting traffic to make it work. How do you think the PHL airport authority is f'ing with US? If anything, they are f'ing with Southwest and procrastinating on original promises of gate space. I can't figure why anyone thinks that PHX is just so overdue for some fantasized international expansion. Look at UAL in DEN -- what international service do they offer? DAL in SLC, too...yet suddenly, PHX will see route expansion to all of Europe and Asia unparalleled for other west hubs at other airlines. :unsure:

I do believe PHX will see LGW and FRA with the A330, but probably not before 2010 or so.

Also, US had to cut CLT international due to profit yields after 9-11. I am not a PHL fan, but the fact is it makes a lot of money for the company and is ideally positioned to compete with JFK, EWR, and BOS international traffic. Parker and his minions have repeatedly stated that PHL will see three or so new international destinations a year for a while and have only hinted that PHX might eventually see something, and I don't think they ever even mentioned CLT in regards to international expansion, have they?

 

[Coffee_Tea_Or_Me]

TOTALLY agree about the PHX to Latin America thing -- I did notice when passing through IAH recently that most Latin American flying the do is on the 737, so I would think the 320 could work for this type of expansion.

Sorry for the double post -- I forgot to include a reply to you in my previous post! 🙂

 

[autofixer]

For those who still fantisize about PHX-PEK service, check out section IIIC of this sorry outfits' application to serve PHL-PEK.

http://www.usairways.com/common/resources/...2_07_filing.pdf