aa recall question

[Nor'Easta]

:unsure: All it would take is another LOA (Letter of Agreement) in order to extend recall rghts.

Bitter how are you? FYI... APFA didn't furlough you, it was American Airlines!! 🙄

 

[nbmcg01]

Now how can you define that statement as bitter? It is a statement of fact. All that is needed is a NPNR LOA. It is so easy and the right thing to do. The Co should not request any payment for extended recall due to the $600,000,000 in shared sacrifice already contributed by those furloughed in addition to the $340,000,000 from the active f/as. The APFA should not be expected to "give up" anything to secure this LOA. While they have missed several opportunities when they signed previous LOAs (without securing ANYTHING in return), perhaps they could use their best negotiating skills and receive belated credit in the form of extended recall at least to put the f/as on par with others on the property.

Actually, the APFA had a large hand in the furlough. They agreed to contractual concessions that allowed the reduction in staffing. They also refused to consider alternate proposals that met the $340,000,000 and saved heads. They illegally extended a "NO" vote that allowed the RPA to be implemented. But that is history and we all want to move forward. The best way to accomplish that is to get everyone back to work. Less reserve, possible holidays off, less extended trips, use of PVDs, and it is always good to have people under you.

 

[FurloughedByAPFA]

"HI" - The fall semester has started; I don't have time to play with you for awhile.

P.S. Get a life, already. :blink:

Your Friend,
Furloughed by APFA

 

[Maark767]

Please note APFA DID NOT give into staffing give backs... AA won that in the 1993 arbrtitration award and it has never changed . That is why AA can go ahead and make staffing changes without talking to APFA. Also dont think for one minute that AA had nothing to do with the furloughs and stapling TWA to the bottom. They made APFA look like the baad guys.... AA knew just where they wanted them. Why did AA make the TWA unions sign off on the senority clauses in their contracts before the purchase would go through ?? MMMMMM They went as far has going to court to have the judge sign it off or the deal was off - remember that ...

 

[nbmcg01]

Please note APFA DID NOT give into staffing give backs... AA won that in the 1993 arbrtitration award and it has never changed . That is why AA can go ahead and make staffing changes without talking to APFA. Also dont think for one minute that AA had nothing to do with the furloughs and stapling TWA to the bottom. They made APFA look like the baad guys.... AA knew just where they wanted them. Why did AA make the TWA unions sign off on the senority clauses in their contracts before the purchase would go through ?? MMMMMM They went as far has going to court to have the judge sign it off or the deal was off - remember that ...

I agree with everything you have said..It was a joint effort. Collusion if you will. The RPA just gave the icing on the cake for more headcount cuts. (I should have used that term instead of staffing). One of the problems the APFA has is the apparent lack of negotiating notes. That is how you lose arbitrations. Staffing is a negotiable item and this should always be a work rule priority in any round of talks. TWA had an "iron clad"(LOL) SCOPE, which the APFA's is patterned after. AA told the court that they wanted our work rules to "mirror" the APFAs and the rest is history. At first items were "cherry picked" and we only mirrored the negative impact items. That is why there is a Dec. pay grievance STILL (almost 5 years later) waiting for payout.

 

[kirkpatrick]

Why did AA make the TWA unions sign off on the senority clauses in their contracts before the purchase would go through ?? MMMMMM They went as far has going to court to have the judge sign it off or the deal was off - remember that ...

A minor nit to pick here. AA didn't make TWA unions sign away "seniority clauses." They made us sign away "scope clauses," which also contained language that prohibited foreign nationals. No way could AA accept this with some 750 FN's flying South American routes. We dumped our foreign nationals in 1974, after a series of strikes which the company decided they could no longer tolerate.

MK

 

[nbmcg01]

A minor nit to pick here. AA didn't make TWA unions sign away "seniority clauses." They made us sign away "scope clauses," which also contained language that prohibited foreign nationals. No way could AA accept this with some 750 FN's flying South American routes. We dumped our foreign nationals in 1974, after a series of strikes which the company decided they could no longer tolerate.

MK

Good point Mark.

 

[Nor'Easta]

"HI" - The fall semester has started; I don't have time to play with you for awhile.

P.S. Get a life, already. :blink:

Your Friend,
Furloughed by APFA

Like I said above...

Bitter party of one your table is ready. I have a life thank you. Maybe you should look at CO, UA or NW for a job. All are hiring f/a's. Or you can wait until the summer of 2008 and apply again with AA. Stay in school and finish your degree. Then you can go out and get a real job that pays big bucks! Or you can start you own company and call it "Furloughed by APFA."

These might help you while you continue to cry and whine: Tears

 

[L1011Ret]

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If anybody is bitter and hostile it would seem to be you!

 

[WCT]

I know a good friend of mine just got recalled at American as flight attendant. Old TWA. She was in the top 100-300 or so, I don't know if that is right? Anyway, am glad to see AA making the right decision to call back as many TWA folks as they can. Even if they are stapled to the bottom, seniority wise, they will get there pay, vacation, and pension back. If I was topped out on AA's scale I would go back in a heartbeat, even if it meant reserve for years!! A real pay scale unlike what we have at Old America West, New Us Airways. 🙄

 

[nbmcg01]

I know a good friend of mine just got recalled at American as flight attendant. Old TWA. She was in the top 100-300 or so, I don't know if that is right? Anyway, am glad to see AA making the right decision to call back as many TWA folks as they can. Even if they are stapled to the bottom, seniority wise, they will get there pay, vacation, and pension back. If I was topped out on AA's scale I would go back in a heartbeat, even if it meant reserve for years!! A real pay scale unlike what we have at Old America West, New Us Airways. 🙄

You seem to get the big picture...It is all about choice.

 

[eolesen]

Also dont think for one minute that AA had nothing to do with the furloughs and stapling TWA to the bottom. They made APFA look like the baad guys....

I don't know how AA would have been responsible for the seniority integration since it was entirely in the hands of the union. Otherwise, you wouldn't have four different ways of calculating seniority.

People who took management jobs got date of hire (since seniority doesn't really matter). Pilots got somewhat of a dovetail, and both the agents and TWU wound up with a mix of safe havens, modified seniority at stations where TW had X% prior to the date of acquisition, and date of acquisition elsewhere.

 

[L1011Ret]

I don't know how AA would have been responsible for the seniority integration since it was entirely in the hands of the union. Otherwise, you wouldn't have four different ways of calculating seniority.

People who took management jobs got date of hire (since seniority doesn't really matter). Pilots got somewhat of a dovetail, and both the agents and TWU wound up with a mix of safe havens, modified seniority at stations where TW had X% prior to the date of acquisition, and date of acquisition elsewhere.

Because AA signed a letter saying they would use their best efforts to promote seniority integration. They did nothing but meet in secret with APFA to allow them to staple all TWA F/As to the bottom of the list. That was part of the agreement between IAM and AA to facilitate the IAM's giving up the scope clause. It was probably the most graphic instance of bad faith bargaining ever seen.

 

[Maark767]

I don't know how AA would have been responsible for the seniority integration since it was entirely in the hands of the union. Otherwise, you wouldn't have four different ways of calculating seniority.

People who took management jobs got date of hire (since seniority doesn't really matter). Pilots got somewhat of a dovetail, and both the agents and TWU wound up with a mix of safe havens, modified seniority at stations where TW had X% prior to the date of acquisition, and date of acquisition elsewhere.

Well why doesn't AA extend the recall rights ... They should if it doesn't matteer to them (AA) where the TWA F/A are placed on the senority list. Also Reno was stapled to the bottom and there were no unions involved. AA stapled the TWA agents to the bottom too... Pilots only got some senority but they must stay in SLT....

 

[L1011Ret]

Well why doesn't AA extend the recall rights ... They should if it doesn't matteer to them (AA) where the TWA F/A are placed on the senority list. Also Reno was stapled to the bottom and there were no unions involved. AA stapled the TWA agents to the bottom too... Pilots only got some senority but they must stay in SLT....

AA has clearly stated recall rights are a bargaining issue. APFA refuses to bargain about this issue.