aa recall question
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1600 plus the 1000+ that have fallen off the seniority list (made up up both former TWA and newhire AA that were still on probation) We are hoping AA will do the "right thing" and offer recall to not only the remaining furloughed but those very junior who dropped off. My guess is very few of that group will return but the "good will" offer would go far. The "ultimate concession" has provided quite a financial windfall for AA. It equates with those corporate bonus payments. Add in the "shared sacrifice" of the furloughed pilots, ground employees, non contract, and mangt., and the amt. is staggering.
jimntx
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It is my bet AA will not do the right thing but instead place the option of doing the right thing squarely in the lap of APFA. Clearly AA has indicated extension of recall rights is a negotiable item. Therefore if APFA was willing to negotiate, the issue might be resolved. But APFA has clearly indicated they are not willing to negotiate. Let's just face it, if APFA really wanted extension of recall rights it would be a done deal.
AC AA LA FA
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APFA would be doing a disservice to its members by giving up anything to extend recall rights.
The majority of the membership .aka. active flight attendants best interests are served by preserving and gaining on whats left of our agreement. It would only better the few if any further givebacks were offered to AA for recall rights.
I think all, AA and TW folks agree on this and know that its AAs obligation to come forward with an offer to recall all furloughed f/as.
I am a fervent supporter of extended recall rights and have a tremendous respect and admiration for TWA flight attendants.
From the standpoint of the Union, it just doesn't make sense, the company knows it and hence the posturing...
I happen to agree that the APFA should NOT pay one dime for extended recall. The ultimate concession has benefited the Company with over a $600,000,000 windfall. I think that is sufficient payment. What I would like to see is an aggressive media campaign stating these facts. Sometimes negotiating in the press is very effective. That is why mangt. does it during negotiations and AA has already begun the media campaign with the pilots. This was one of the grave errors that the APFA made during the RPA. The press would have been an appropriate means of embarrassing an arrogant mangt. labor team that undervalued concessions and refused to give credit for various items. Value is always established when an item is negotiated and can only increase. Heaven knows the Company is very quick to point this out when a new agreement is reached. Lack of experience? Fear? Collusion? Only time will tell. I hope a strong negotiating team will be in place for this round of talks.
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I do think they should get recall rights extended on the same terms as the other two unions, but APFA made a big stink about walking out of the JLT.
You get what you negotiate, and when you walk out of things like JLT and PLI, the other negotiators, aren't going to be as likely to do things out of the goodness of their heart.
And yes, that goes both ways. AMR has done its fair share of pissing on employees.
Given where oil prices are heading, perhaps it would have been better to go into early openers and not be in a position where you're stuck with the APA's leftovers...
You get what you negotiate, and when you walk out of things like JLT and PLI, the other negotiators, aren't going to be as likely to do things out of the goodness of their heart.
And yes, that goes both ways. AMR has done its fair share of pissing on employees.
Given where oil prices are heading, perhaps it would have been better to go into early openers and not be in a position where you're stuck with the APA's leftovers...
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Unions, including APFA, represent all their members, junior and senior. APFA has in the past negotiated things that benefit the senior people, such as a fifteen year pay scale, vacations for 25+ years, and remember longevity pay? In turn, they have negotiated items that benefitted junior people, such as 12 days off per month and reserve guarantees.
Forgive me for mentioning TWA again, but we had five year recall rights until the '79 hires fell off the recall list in '84. We then negotiated seven year rights into our contract. So I understand why AA, which had not furloughed for twenty years prior to 9/11, still has five year rights. But the time has come to recognize that five years simply isn't enough.
I've written to the union asking just what the dollar figure would be for this extension, but got a non-answer in response. I certainly don't think the entire contract should be gutted in favor of the furloughed, but would like someone to come forth with just what the expense would be, both in dollars and as a percentage of the total package.
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Gee, I thought the furloughees were APFA members and entitled to some representation. Some even hold union positions but I guess they are not "real" members who one might have concern for.
AA is currently hiring new F/As. Why don't they just recall more furloughed folks instead of hiring newbies?
My mother (way back when) was a TWA employee (not inflight). She still tells stories about how powerful their union was back in the day. Seems strange to me that AA/TWA employees would allow new hires come in when folks are still on furlough lists.
My mother (way back when) was a TWA employee (not inflight). She still tells stories about how powerful their union was back in the day. Seems strange to me that AA/TWA employees would allow new hires come in when folks are still on furlough lists.
As far as anyone knows AA is not hiring new F/As, to do so would violate the law and labor contracts.
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No, American Eagle is hiring new F/A's, and has been the entire time that AA was furloughing. Totally different carrier on paper, and totally different union representing their F/A's.
The only place AA can legally hire new F/A's is for the few that are basd in South America, and that's pretty limited.
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:unsure: All it would take is another LOA (Letter of Agreement) in order to extend recall rghts.
From your mouth to Arpey's ears.. but AA management would never sign anything like that without getting something else in return.
