WorldTraveler
Corn Field
- Dec 5, 2003
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WT, you'll need to find someone else to hate on. I don't waste my time secretly voting down your posts. It's more rewarding to simply call you out in public.
The JV may be an issue for the time being, but the alliance benefits will still be a positive, even moreso than what Skyteam provides, since DL now offers partial credit with its alliance partners (good luck keeping track who gives full, half, or quarter miles for elite status...).
The economy is indeed a problem, but I suspect these routes will be launched just in time for World Cup. I'm sure you're more than aware that it's being held in Brasil. Isn't Curitaba one of the host cities?
The options on EK and other carriers in the Gulf are about 1000 miles longer flying, and offset by lower fares I'm sure, but don't overlook how much the issues of language and culture come into play.
I don’t hate anyone… esp. not on this forum.
I have repeatedly said that I intend to participate in this forum based on open discussion. While you and your double personality Veritas have whipped up populist support in your attempt to belittle me by using the post voting system, including on topics such as the GAO’s concerns over the AA/US merger, you continue to fail to accurately be able to discuss the issues at hand regarding the business of aviation which specific to this topic include:
AA and JL do not and cannot have a JV on their services between Brazil and Japan – therefore arguing that this new route will make a difference because of the JV is inaccurate.
Your statement that JJ will be able to provide more feed than what Gol can provide DL is equally inaccurate. Gol does not offer any nonstop int’l flights to the US and they are also larger than TAM. TAM is in fact an AA competitor to the US and they have to divide the capacity they provide into AA’s gateways including GRU between JJ and AA’s own int’l flights. That doesn’t mean that AA and JJ both won’t be fine but it is completely inaccurate to say that DL doesn’t have as much domestic feed from Gol as JJ will provide AA. All the alliance benefits (again which aren’t even approved or operating) don’t matter if the seats aren’t there.
Even IORFA gets that AA’s chances of making LAX-GRU work are slim given that the market has not been successful by other carriers who have offered far less service. Yet, AA, which has more 777s than it knows what to do with, has decided that throwing another 777 on a 12+ hour flight will make everything work right alongside LAX-PVG (to accompany the rest of AA’s underperformance to Asia) and DFW-ICN (right alongside KE who increased its own service to ensure AA can’t get a foothold in the market).
It is nothing short of a bold-faced lie to argue that you haven’t voted done my posts by the thousands and then cried “look at his reputation.” You have repeatedly been unable to accept the fact that other people really do understand the business of aviation, and in many cases it means that your vaunted view of AA doesn’t hold water.
Many major special events such as the World Cup and Olympics actually DEPRESS normal demand and revenues rather than increasing it. Hotel prices soar, occupancy rates frequently are less than what they would have been otherwise, and regular business travel stops. Virgin Atlantic just noted that they lost money because of that dynamic in London. The same thing will happen in Brazil.
Brazil is one of the most culturally accepting countries in the world and there are large middle East populations in Brazil. There is no aversion to Brazilians to use Middle East carriers… which is probably why they continue to grow in Brazil. And it doesn’t change that the US gov’ts withdrawal from the transit without visa program hurts flow traffic thru the US, precisely why JL cancelled its long-running NRT-JFK-GRU flight.
And it doesn’t change that the World Cup will involve a little over a month of travel and then the realities of the market will be right back to where they would have been…
IORFA is right…. LAX-GRU will be another money-losing flight which Doug Parker will have to figure out how to get out of… maybe one of those shiny new 787s will cut the fuel price of operating the flight even if it adds a couple hundred million in additional debt – but no one is watching those debt levels except for Wall Street who will put pressure on the new AA to generate profits – even while AA’s debt levels will continue to soar as they take delivery of all hundreds of new aircraft. And Wall Street gets yet another chance to weigh in on AA’s financials in about a month since the current quarter is a little over a week away from ending.
The invitation and challenge to you and the other people who have voted down my posts and/or voted yours up in support of you (and I know exactly who they are) is to participate in the debate based on the superiority of the points they present. You, and many of the them, have consistently been shown to be lacking in their ability to engage in that manner but you are unique in your ability to call someone else out about the use of the post voting system while manipulating it yourself. The truth, Veritas, really does always come out.
Yeh those Brazilians are lining up already to purchase AA tickets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_AXVPK8rxc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Not only are Brazilians fed up with the amount of money the Brazilian gov’t is spending to prepare for the World Cup, including trying to fix its infrastructure, but also that basic services are either of low quality – such as public health care - or are too expensive and continuing to increase in price – such as public transport.
Cities including CURITIBA are facing the same economic challenges; AA will indeed serve most of the cities that will host the World Cup in Brazil and the economic challenges facing each are just as real.
Brazil’s economy is growing at a slower rate than even the US right now, inflation is at the upper end of what economists inside and outside of Brazil consider acceptable for the level of growth in the economy, the Brazilian population growth rate is lower than the US’, and Brazil’s emerging middle class has high expectations of upward mobility and strong social services from the gov’t as promised by former President Lula. Now, Brazil’s gov’t faces stagflation (one of the hardest challenges for central banks to “treat&rdquo
AA has tied a great deal of its future to Brazil, a country which faces enormous economic and political challenges right at the time when AA needs the one region of the world which AA dominates to deliver as it heads into a costly and complicated merger…. Yes, bring on the popcorn.
BTW, IORFA, you might be surprised to learn that DL’s ATL-GRU flight ranks above other US carrier US-Brazil flights including slightly ahead of CO/UA’s IAH-GIG flight in terms of combined passenger/cargo revenue they carry per flight… and both of those are operated on much lower cost 767s. There are indeed markets that can support additional Brazil service and ATL-GRU is the best candidate.