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Does any one know how many of the 266 flight attendants who received recall letters, the week of March 14 through 18, 2011, accepted?
Thanks.
Replies were to be mailed by the 25th and AA should have received them by March 29th.
 
It has all been secret service since the very first recall. The only numbers AA has released were for the Dec.15, 2010 recall. I have asked the new Jane Allen, and have received a response that they do release the numbers in the weekly hotline. After I pointed out that was true for only the first recall, my email has fallen silent ever since. It is crazy that they don't reveal the numbers, especially when asked. After working for AA this long, I really shouldn't be amazed at anything they do or don't do. It is just usual, typical AA. Remember, we are just mushrooms to them. Keep us in the dark and keep feeding us S#*&!!!
 
It has all been secret service since the very first recall. The only numbers AA has released were for the Dec.15, 2010 recall. I have asked the new Jane Allen, and have received a response that they do release the numbers in the weekly hotline. After I pointed out that was true for only the first recall, my email has fallen silent ever since. It is crazy that they don't reveal the numbers, especially when asked. After working for AA this long, I really shouldn't be amazed at anything they do or don't do. It is just usual, typical AA. Remember, we are just mushrooms to them. Keep us in the dark and keep feeding us S#*&!!!
I would imagine that once they get through the former TWA FAs the recall rate would look much like ours. That s probably why its so hush hush. In the Northeast we had around 400 people on the recall list for Aircraft maintenance, only around 20 accepted the recall. They are now trying to hire off the street, basically getting people that were fired by other carriers I hear. We have guys who simply just stop coming to work. With the economy in recovery and the latest job figures looking better the airlines are in for a rude awakening, flight benifits are not enough to draw in the talent they need.
 
I would imagine that once they get through the former TWA FAs the recall rate would look much like ours.
Once they get through the former TWA FA's there will be no recall rate, since there will be no more recall list. 127 of 147 of the first group of those who had never been recalled accepted, which is 84%, and these are people who've been off since 2003. Although a few will retire after completing training, the overall acceptance rate will be very high.

MK
 
Once they get through the former TWA FA's there will be no recall rate, since there will be no more recall list. 127 of 147 of the first group of those who had never been recalled accepted, which is 84%, and these are people who've been off since 2003. Although a few will retire after completing training, the overall acceptance rate will be very high.

MK
Good to hear..... I wonder if the remaining (200 plus or so ) recalls will be recalled this year. Any info on this ???
 
I would imagine that once they get through the former TWA FAs the recall rate would look much like ours. That s probably why its so hush hush. In the Northeast we had around 400 people on the recall list for Aircraft maintenance, only around 20 accepted the recall. They are now trying to hire off the street, basically getting people that were fired by other carriers I hear. We have guys who simply just stop coming to work. With the economy in recovery and the latest job figures looking better the airlines are in for a rude awakening, flight benifits are not enough to draw in the talent they need.
You are so correct Bob. The company is going out find out at some point they have nothing to offer.
 
You are so correct Bob. The company is going out find out at some point they have nothing to offer.
Neither you nor Bob have any idea what you are talking about. Bob has been informed before that there are no furloughees that are not former TWA, yet he keeps posting of some corporate apocalyptic awakening "when they get through the TWA recalls." You can NOT compare mechanics, etc to flight attendants. Yes, mechanics can find better, higher paying jobs with a more assured future than with the airlines. There is no comparable job for flight attendants out in the "real world."

And, I have news for Bob, when AA advertises that they are now hiring flight attendants, there will be a line of applicants from Centerport all the way down to the overflow waiting area in Cowboy stadium in Arlington. It doesn't matter how often those of us in the job talk about the realities of the job, the general public still believes the Hollywood version of the life of a flight attendant--one leg to Rome, 3-day layover, wined and dined by rich men, then one leg back home. When in fact it's 4 legs a day ending up at a 10.5 hour (from door open to door close) layover in Wichita or Omaha, and no time to eat all day except standing up in the galley eating a cold Big Mac that you bought on the run through DFW when changing planes. :lol:

Another example of the public illusion...the pay. It doesn't matter how many times you tell someone about the fact that "yes, I am paid almost $40/hr, but I'm only guaranteed 70 hours/month"...in their minds they multiply $40/hr times 40hrs/week. They think I'm grossing $1600/wk when before deductions, I'm making almost $2800/month base pay.

That being said, I'm the first to admit I'm hooked on the job. The whole time I was on furlough (17 months), I kept saying to myself that I really ought to go out and get a job. But then I would think...Go to the same place EVERYDAY...at the same time EVERYDAY...work with the same people EVERYDAY...EWWW. :lol: :lol:
 
Delta received more than 85,000 applications for 575 new FA positions late last year; the last time it had hired new FAs was 2008:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=11894590

AA hasn't hired off the street in nearly ten years now. I imagine AA could easily attract far more than 100k applications if/when it places the ads.

Average W-2 wage for Delta FA in 2009: $39k

Average W-2 wage for AA FA in 2009: $51k

Source: http://www.airlinefinancials.com/uploads/2009_mainline_summary.pdf

Not get-rich kind of wages, but pretty good pay, all things considered.

Bob: there may very well be a shortage of skilled mechanics possessing A&P licenses. There is no shortage of personable young men and women who will line up for a chance to fly as an FA. And look at jimntx: he had already retired from the awl bidness when he decided he wanted to be a Flight Attendant. Might be a lot of middle-age and recently retired people just like him, dying for a chance to fly between DFW and IND every day, all day. Hoping, of course, that they don't die before they gain enough seniority to fly to London or Paris or Tokyo or Rio.
 
Delta received more than 85,000 applications for 575 new FA positions late last year; the last time it had hired new FAs was 2008:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=11894590

AA hasn't hired off the street in nearly ten years now. I imagine AA could easily attract far more than 100k applications if/when it places the ads.

Average W-2 wage for Delta FA in 2009: $39k

Average W-2 wage for AA FA in 2009: $51k

Source: http://www.airlinefinancials.com/uploads/2009_mainline_summary.pdf

Not get-rich kind of wages, but pretty good pay, all things considered.

Bob: there may very well be a shortage of skilled mechanics possessing A&P licenses. There is no shortage of personable young men and women who will line up for a chance to fly as an FA. And look at jimntx: he had already retired from the awl bidness when he decided he wanted to be a Flight Attendant. Might be a lot of middle-age and recently retired people just like him, dying for a chance to fly between DFW and IND every day, all day. Hoping, of course, that they don't die before they gain enough seniority to fly to London or Paris or Tokyo or Rio.

Going by average W-2 wages is misleading because more than half the active f/a corps at AA is at top of scale--i.e., they have completed more than 14 years active service. There are no active f/as under the age of 30, and the average age is 50. Relatively speaking, I'm near the bottom of the seniority list, and I am now on 10-year pay rate as I completed 9 years in January. DL has at least a few younguns. Also, there may be more AA f/as flying "high time" which would increase the W-2 wages above the "norm."

I didn't retire from the awl bidness. I was self-employed the last 5 years, and I just got tired of doing what I was doing. And, unless I was willing (which I am not) to fly International out of MIA or JFK, I will NOT live long enough to proffer for International. (Of course, 8 months ago I was saying that I won't live long enough to transfer back to DFW, but here I am.)

BTW, it's the DFW-MFE route that I really covet. There's all that elaborate dinner service on DFW-IND you have to deal with. :lol:
 
Delta received more than 85,000 applications for 575 new FA positions late last year; the last time it had hired new FAs was 2008:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=11894590

AA hasn't hired off the street in nearly ten years now. I imagine AA could easily attract far more than 100k applications if/when it places the ads.

Average W-2 wage for Delta FA in 2009: $39k

Average W-2 wage for AA FA in 2009: $51k

Source: http://www.airlinefinancials.com/uploads/2009_mainline_summary.pdf

Not get-rich kind of wages, but pretty good pay, all things considered.

Bob: there may very well be a shortage of skilled mechanics possessing A&P licenses. There is no shortage of personable young men and women who will line up for a chance to fly as an FA. And look at jimntx: he had already retired from the awl bidness when he decided he wanted to be a Flight Attendant. Might be a lot of middle-age and recently retired people just like him, dying for a chance to fly between DFW and IND every day, all day. Hoping, of course, that they don't die before they gain enough seniority to fly to London or Paris or Tokyo or Rio.
I doubt AA could get 100K applicants, let alone 10,000 that could do the job if the APFA decided to strike, they couldnt do it in 1993 when the job paid a lot more in real terms. You seem to forget that dishing out sodas and meals may be what you see them doing but unless you've been in an emergency or seen them train there's more to the job than that. Delta got 85000 applications, you say for only 575 and make it sound like thats a lot, well the number of openings doesnt really have anything to do with the number of applicants, they probably would have had the same whether it was 10 or 100,000 openings, but there were 15 million unemployed , so over 14 million who dont have a job would apparently rather remain unemployed than fill out an application to go work for Delta. That says a lot more than 85000 applications for 575 openings. My guess is that you never collected unemployemnt compensation either, well in most states you have to prove job search, meaning that you fill out applications with no intentions or aspirations on taking the job, you fill it out to show that you complied with the rules.

Latest jobs figures look good, thats bad news for AA and other carriers. Not only does it mean that they will have a harder time attracting workers but they will have a harder time retaining the ones they got. Figure 54% of our mechanics are over 50, so up to half of us may be retiring in the next five years,the younger guys will probably be leaving at high rates as well as the demand for mechanics and people with the ability to troubleshoot and repair all sorts of different systems (electical, mechanical, hydraulic, Pneumatic etc) increases. Even over the last few years when the economy has been bad we have seen a higher than ever rate of people who voluntarily leave or put themselves in a position(because they no longer care) to be put out involuntarily.
 
bob spin it how ever you like . there people that want and can do the job


you think people working at mcdonalds or some other low paying job wouldn't jump at the job.


look at ord they got rid of aa doing the fueling for eagle . the new company ASIG pays there fuelers 8.75 hour. your right people will n't work for nothing.
 
I doubt AA could get 100K applicants, let alone 10,000 that could do the job if the APFA decided to strike, they couldnt do it in 1993 when the job paid a lot more in real terms. You seem to forget that dishing out sodas and meals may be what you see them doing but unless you've been in an emergency or seen them train there's more to the job than that. Delta got 85000 applications, you say for only 575 and make it sound like thats a lot, well the number of openings doesnt really have anything to do with the number of applicants, they probably would have had the same whether it was 10 or 100,000 openings, but there were 15 million unemployed , so over 14 million who dont have a job would apparently rather remain unemployed than fill out an application to go work for Delta. That says a lot more than 85000 applications for 575 openings. My guess is that you never collected unemployemnt compensation either, well in most states you have to prove job search, meaning that you fill out applications with no intentions or aspirations on taking the job, you fill it out to show that you complied with the rules.

What does a strike have to do with the discussion?

Think whatever you want about the quality of the unemployed out there, Bob. The fact is that throughout the past 20 years, the low-paying regionals (even Eagle) have had no real difficulty finding sufficient numbers of 19-22 year olds willing to be flight attendants. In the years prior to 2001, AA had no real difficulty attracting sufficient numbers of FAs. Now, it's been 10 years since AA has hired a mainline FA; in fact, DL, UA, CO, NW and US hired very few new FAs over the past 10 years. DL pays less than AA (DL's hourly rates are less than at AA, leading to much of the difference in average FA wages) yet DL got more than 85k applications a few months ago. And yet you insist on arguing that AA couldn't attract 100k or more applications?

Even WN says it gets about 100k applications each year for all positions and hires an average of about 3,000 new employees each year.

The bolded portion of your post demonstrates a profound logical flaw in your reasoning. Your argument appears to be "DL only got about one application per 150 unemployed people nationwide who want to be DL FAs, and that proves something about the applicants and those who did not apply." All it proves, Bob, is that DL got about 148 applications per opening. Nothing more, nothing less.

Latest jobs figures look good, thats bad news for AA and other carriers. Not only does it mean that they will have a harder time attracting workers but they will have a harder time retaining the ones they got. Figure 54% of our mechanics are over 50, so up to half of us may be retiring in the next five years,the younger guys will probably be leaving at high rates as well as the demand for mechanics and people with the ability to troubleshoot and repair all sorts of different systems (electical, mechanical, hydraulic, Pneumatic etc) increases. Even over the last few years when the economy has been bad we have seen a higher than ever rate of people who voluntarily leave or put themselves in a position(because they no longer care) to be put out involuntarily.

Every discussion is about mechanics, isn't it? I conceded earlier that there may be a shortage of trained mechanics. Nobody's arguing that point with you, Bob. This is a thread about flight attendants.
 
Jumpseat on DAL and the FA's will tell you the DAl can't keep the new hires. They are for the most part going to New York( as where most airlines send you) at $17,500 or a little more. One furloughed AA F/A, went to AE, then applied and was hired at DAL as a speaker, decided no, low pay and & there culture. Does hope to be back at AA in the future.
 
Average W-2 wage for Delta FA in 2009: $39k

Average W-2 wage for AA FA in 2009: $51k

Source: http://www.airlinefinancials.com/uploads/2009_mainline_summary.pdf

Not get-rich kind of wages, but pretty good pay, all things considered.

Jumpseat on DAL and the FA's will tell you the DAl can't keep the new hires. They are for the most part going to New York( as where most airlines send you) at $17,500 or a little more. One furloughed AA F/A, went to AE, then applied and was hired at DAL as a speaker, decided no, low pay and & there culture. Does hope to be back at AA in the future.

I'll echo what boston wrote.

Starting wages are near or below the poverty line and most new hires are assigned to bases in high cost of living cities.

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Median annual wages of flight attendants were $35,930 in May 2008. The middle 50 percent earned between $28,420 and $49,910. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $20,580, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $65,350.

According to data from the Association of Flight Attendants, beginning attendants had median earnings of $16,191 a year in 2009. Beginning pay scales for flight attendants vary by carrier, however. New hires usually begin at the same pay scale, regardless of experience; all flight attendants receive the same future pay increases based on an established pay scale.​
 
Speaking of recalls, does anyone know if AA got 300 people to take a PLOA? Or how close they got?
 

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