AFA COUNCIL 70 PHL UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR

[PITbull]

I just love how these "Newbie" posters show up out of the blue to post something, and then are never heard from again.

airportman/Lovethesun - or whatever you want to call yourself next...weren't you already told not to post Private Messages? Since airportman was the one who got the PM from the Reserve Chair, how would Lovethesun have access to the same message since it was deleted by the Moderators days ago? I think it's hilarious when one person conjures up new screen name identities to rally support for what has become a long, drawn out personal attack. GOTCHA!

I know for a FACT that the Reserve Chair works his butt off in that office 5 days a week when not flying, and would welcome anyone that cares to go to the office and assist. It's really easy to criticize from your keyboard, why don't you go offer your services airportman/Lovethesun?

Here's the issue on that...Is the reserve chair willing to commit to say that the ELECTED officers come in 5 days a week at the office?????

Or is he more concerned about pissing them off and them taking away his position????

Anyone, care to answer? That's a legitimate question.

I personally know that Michael works hard...he cares and is dedicated, but is he willing to reveal what is known by many in that base about the two elected officers winfall?

I don't think so. I know that PIT, CLT, LGA, BOS officers are very dedicated LECs, I know personally that they don't abuse the ETB, heck the BOS rep can't even get away for one day because she is SO vocal on the MEC and making sure that the company is not abusing or violating the contract.

I only hear from many f/as from around the system that say that the two officers of PHL are flying anywhere from 150-180 International pay, and the time is coming from the base's company given flight pay loss for union business and ETB. In my view, they are as greedy as management and circumventing the concessions they supported.

BTW, one of those two officers are not getting the 105 company flight pay loss, because the base is only provided 105. The other one is receiving 105 International from UNION DUES $$$$

I don't get this. So why don't you run for the office or at least stop by and see what they have to deal with day in and day out? I am sure it is NOT pretty. Constant phone calls, questions, problems, upset F/A's, termination meetings, etc.... I would think that the better deal would be to collect 73 like the rest of us and work the occasional ETB. Let 'em enjoy their ETB trips!!! Thank you AFA70 for all the hard work you do. Union work will always be a thankless job....expect little or no respect until one of these people find themselves desperate, on the final level of dependability. Then, the tables will turn... Geez....

If its so busy in the office, how are they able not to come in every day? How can you go on ETB leave town and then have this "so called energy" to take care of contract violations or representing the many f/as????

I remeber the EX PIT/MEC President was so busy in the office every day, that she couldn't even leave town for 1 day to go on a damn vacation let alone fly ETB trips.

What kind of rep or how good is the rep if they are really working in the office as they say they are daily, and then flying on their off days ETB?

I've met them, worked with them...I've seen no such dedication to the f/as. Perhaps to managment; but not to the f/as group.

and, how would you know that they are "violating" the system unless you could actually see what they did from their own monthly schedule? Do you think day-to-day reserve screens give you the entire picture? Believe me, as an over-85 (pilot) thingy, you would be stupid, just from that, to even open your mouth in the belief you knew what was going on.

Someone posted someone elses schedule here. That, it would seem, might require an administrative response.

Honesty from your union reps from members who elect you and pay for that representation FROM UNION DUES $$$ is the same as what you would expect from a congrressional representative. If these types of individuals don't want to share that information or don't think its anyone's business, then they don't have to defend it or show it.

Simply put...they will just be out of office.

FULL DISCLOSURE!!!

FYI. CATCREW assigns a value of 5+00 for each AFA day -- this is a change since the LTO RSV system was put in place (before RSV LTO, "AFA days" had no value). That time may or may not be actually paid by AFA. Flight Pay Loss (AFA paid time) is not reflected in CATS. Therefore, a flight attendant off schedule on AFA business for 5 days (25+00 in CATS) may only receive five or ten hours Flight Pay Loss for those days -- this will not be reflected in CATS (but will cause a RSV's LTO to go "through the roof").

I just want to point out that what we see in CATS does not accurately reflect what a F/A on AFA business actually sees in his or her paycheck.

Just my 2 cents.

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You are incorrect. These folks are PPO.

Again, Full disclosure, and if it weren't true, then they need to bring all their montly pay hours to the next union meeting!

But they won't because your elected reps will say "its no ones business", I work at home, I work in the office" my time is my time"....

But you won't see their schedules to actually check to make sure you have union reps that are monitoring any contractual violations and making sure they are spending the time necessary to protect the f/as that are in that huge base.

 

[proudf/a]

From what I understand the PHL local is a party of 3, the young lady that was voted in as SEC/TRES didn't play by the rules of the majestrate. She isn't able to carry out her elected position. I don't believe she has resigned this position, but she isn't allowed to work in the local office.

 

[Zarah]

Why wouldn't she be allowed to work in the local office?

 

[xoxo]

Pitbull,
I just have a question for you..you seem like you are gunning to get the PHL pres out, and making alot of accusation towards her and the rest of them in there...so do you mean to tell me and everyone else that you have NEVER done any union work from home, or have NEVER got online during "work" hours for the AFA and posted on this website or anyother, if you say you never have, I would have to say........hmmmmmmmm <_< ...to that. I am not attacking you in no way, but, you cant cast stones at people if you know in your heart that you may have done the same. Just my 2 CENTS on this issue.

 

[PHX-F/A]

This is interesting, the local 70 reps <might be other locals too not sure about them though> are flying etb trips boosting there income while receiving flt loss pay for performing "union" duties....most receive 105 hrs and then fly etb......

just seems unethical.....

It is! They are only supposed to fly on the weekends. Their 105 hours is for working Mon-Fri on union biz. We went throught the same thing at AFA66 last summer. The controvercy over the matter caused the MEC Pres to resign, and spawned a special election for a new Vice Pres.

 

[PITbull]

Pitbull,
I just have a question for you..you seem like you are gunning to get the PHL pres out, and making alot of accusation towards her and the rest of them in there...so do you mean to tell me and everyone else that you have NEVER done any union work from home, or have NEVER got online during "work" hours for the AFA and posted on this website or anyother, if you say you never have, I would have to say........hmmmmmmmm <_< ...to that. I am not attacking you in no way, but, you cant cast stones at people if you know in your heart that you may have done the same. Just my 2 CENTS on this issue.

Most the postings were done in the evening off hours or early mornings. The ex PIT LEC who was also the MECP was at the local daily until taking office last Jan. as MECP. Schedule every single month was 4 days at MEC Office; every friday at the local PIT...sometimes Sat. to wrap up some work. There was no going on ETB...EVER!!!!

In addition, on holdays, there were hours put aside at the Local office to go in and answer the phones.

Ask the local for the details of the work and management who knew exactly where we were every single day. PIT was ALWAYS THE FIRST WITH ANY INFO TO GO OUT ON PIT E-LINE BEFORE ANY OTHER LEC OR MEC E-LINE. There was NO home computer that housed the PIT or MEC E-line. Only the office computers.

There is no such thing as home office when a local office exists. Folks do not get paid in my local from home as long as the office existed.

The issue on this thread is the issue of circumventing concessions by maximising time by union reps on ETB in addition to the GIVEN flight pay loss to each base of 105 from the company. In addition, the other officer in PHL receives her 105 from union $$ dues, because they have a huge budget due to the number of f/as in the base.

 

[SKY HIGH]

Here's the issue with that...they don't post to the members their monthly schedules in their E-lines or on the website. Soooo, they can make up any days and say they were working from their "HOME OFFICE". I have an issue with someone working from home when THERE IS A LOCAL OFFICE PAID BY UNION DUES PAYING MEMEBERS!!.
There is no excuse for the LEC President she lives about 1 hour away from the office. If she couldn't make it to the office daily, she shouldn't have taken that position.

sky high states: THIS REEKS OF SOMEONE who got burnt out on flying and decided to "try out" a Rep. job! Why wait until they get voted out of office. I say, FLOOD THE DAMN OFFICE WITH PHONE CALLS!....check on accountability!!!

Association of Flight Attendants
3751 Island Ave. ~ Philadelphia, PA 19153
215-492-0840 - council70@afausairways.org

 

[PITbull]

It is! They are only supposed to fly on the weekends. Their 105 hours is for working Mon-Fri on union biz. We went throught the same thing at AFA66 last summer. The controvercy over the matter caused the MEC Pres to resign, and spawned a special election for a new Vice Pres.

Heck, if they waited until the weekends, they would miss their Paris/Rome trips that departs on Friday to max out at 20 hours per trip.

If f/as average 5 hours of flight pay loss day to receive 105, they would have to be in the office 5 days a week plus 1 Saturday.

But they claim to be in the office 4 days a week, and work from home to recieve the rest. How can that be???? You need 21 days to receive the 105.

This means that they are paying themselves MORE per day than the average flight attendant, by alleging to only be at the local 16 days (4 days per week).

But, everyone knows that they are not in the office 4 days a week...so that is why the dishonesty and disgraceful behavior is being brought out, chastized, and rebuked.

The other issue is are they receiving meal expense allowance for the entire day on Friday while in their so call "home office" , and then going out on Friday on their ETB trips and collecting meal expense again from the company?

That's double dipping and the local members can recall.

You can request in writing as a member of Local 70 that the International investigate their pay records, days flying on ETB and what days they claimed paid meal expense from the union to see if they had double dipped. That happened to the MECP in PHX last year.

 

[sharktooth]

Heck, if they waited until the weekends, they would miss their Paris/Rome trips that departs on Friday to max out at 20 hours per trip.

If f/as average 5 hours of flight pay loss day to receive 105, they would have to be in the office 5 days a week plus 1 Saturday.

But they claim to be in the office 4 days a week, and work from home to recieve the rest. How can that be???? You need 21 days to receive the 105.

This means that they are paying themselves MORE per day than the average flight attendant, by alleging to only be at the local 16 days (4 days per week).

But, everyone knows that they are not in the office 4 days a week...so that is why the dishonesty and disgraceful behavior is being brought out, chastized, and rebuked.

The other issue is are they receiving meal expense allowance for the entire day on Friday while in their so call "home office" , and then going out on Friday on their ETB trips and collecting meal expense again from the company?

That's double dipping and the local members can recall.

You can request in writing as a member of Local 70 that the International investigate their pay records, days flying on ETB and what days they claimed paid meal expense from the union to see if they had double dipped. That happened to the MECP in PHX last year.

You are completely wacked out, as usual.

Speaking for one of the PHL reps, who is senior enough to bid the highest paying block, to start.

Except for vacation, she is in the office five god#####(edited by mod) days per week. She flys one or two days on the weekend, usually the PHL-SJU-PHL.

I don't know if you noticed, not that I would expect, since you seem to have lived in a phonebooth, but very little administratively can be accomplished on weekends with this company.

I cannot tell you all times her vacation time is interrupted with "union business", cleaning up the unfinished business from PIT. I am somewhat peeved that you, the fault for much of the problems, seems to think you can take shots at people for problems you have created.

I, and the IRS, consider all the work she does as a "charity". The auditor actually felt sorry for her.

Hon, you really need to deal with your anger.

 

[xoxo]

Pitbull,

I know this is about PHL 70, but, what about your "friend" that you appointed to the MAA f/a's? How much time did she spend in the office...and you absolutely can not say 5 days a week, unless West Virginia is a new office nobody has heard of...I know she was getting paid for not being in office. She was always somewhere else.

 

[PITbull]

I cannot tell you all times her vacation time is interrupted with "union business", cleaning up the unfinished business from PIT. I am somewhat peeved that you, the fault for much of the problems, seems to think you can take shots at people for problems you have created.

I, and the IRS, consider all the work she does as a "charity". The auditor actually felt sorry for her.

Hon, you really need to deal with your anger.

She is resolving the unfinsihed business of PIT???Haaahaaaahaaaa, you jest! They'll be taking her out.

Tuck her to bed now...

Pitbull,

I know this is about PHL 70, but, what about your "friend" that you appointed to the MAA f/a's? How much time did she spend in the office...and you absolutely can not say 5 days a week, unless West Virginia is a new office nobody has heard of...I know she was getting paid for not being in office. She was always somewhere else.

Xo,

You really need to reread these posts.

There is no such thing as a "home office" when there is a "local office". The AFA offices at USAirways are PHX, CLT, PHL, and MEC office PIT mainline. The base's members dues $$ supoort an office. If there are not enough members in the base, there is no Local office.

MAA did not have a local office once she was appointed and then elected as the MECP of MAA. What could she have done, union work in her car?

 

[xoxo]

Could it be that you are so sure she will be taken out because so many pit f/a's are now in PHL? I guess only time will tell. I am just glad that there are 162 recalls now in PHL who can vote. Most of us were at the 170 division and we are not happy that we all got sold out by Teddy in PIT to Bobbi Riggle.

 

[PITbull]

The MEC of mainline voted in Jul of 2004 to allow MAA to have its OWN council and have its own representation as it had its own CBA. This was highly pushed and supported by AFA International, and the MEC Agenda item came from none other than Council 41 DCA, Bob Kenia. out of 6 LECP votes ONLY one vote was against breaking MAA from the PIT local... and on a "roll call" no less...Yup, the PIT president you hate. If you want validation of the vote, call the MEC office and ask for the summer MEC meeting in 2004. They have to furnish you the minutes and you will see for yourself the argument at the table.

The AFA International wanted to appoint their own MAA MECP until the election. However, the PIT Pres. pushed to appoint Bobbi until the vote. Its so happened that within 3 months she was then elected by the majority of the MAA f/as.

 

[xoxo]

MAA did not have a local office once she was appointed and then elected as the MECP of MAA. [/quote]


Elected my A#$, if that is what you are calling it. I do not have one single friend that voted for her and if they did vote for the other girl, well, it did not count because the AFA somehow did not take dues from most of the f/a's so, of course they could not vote......so of course, Bobbi was "Elected".

 

[PITbull]

MAA did not have a local office once she was appointed and then elected as the MECP of MAA.
Elected my A#$, if that is what you are calling it. I do not have one single friend that voted for her and if they did vote for the other girl, well, it did not count because the AFA somehow did not take dues from most of the f/a's so, of course they could not vote......so of course, Bobbi was "Elected".

If you think you have some argument about her election, you should have brought it to the attention of the International. At that point, MAA was not a PIT mainline issue. That challenge had to come from the members of MAA who you allege didn't or couldn't vote.

If they were that worried for their future or representation they needed to open their mouths.