Agents TURN DOWN Union

[jimntx]

WT, AA has made it plain without making a formal announcement that they intend to replace most if not all ticket/gate agents with contract employees with no benefits--not even travel benefits. It seems to be all the agents at DFW talk and complain about. Yet, I would bet that most of them either didn't vote or voted no.

Yes, there are companies that do not require unions to make sure that employees are treated fairly. AMR is not one of those companies. So, if AMR employees reject representation then, given the company's past history of employee relations, they deserve whatever they get.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I don't doubt that you may be right, but AA is dumping thousands of ramp and maintenance positions and they were union represented as well.

I'm not going to let AA off the hook - and I will certainly agree that if AA has been as clear that they intend to outsource that many public contact jobs and their people didn't believe them, then they deserve what they get.

I still would like to compare 3 years down the road (or as soon pre-merger if that happens) for the agents to what happens w/ other groups.

I can't say I would want to be in the shoes of any AA labor group right now.

 

[jimntx]

McCaskill and Bond is not how it works? i hope you are right.

McCaskill-Bond addresses seniority issues in a merger where there are two separate represented groups. In an AA-US merger, the gate/ticket agents are 1 represented, 1 not represented. M-B does not apply. Other labor law might require a representation vote among the merged US and AA agents to determine if the work group has union representation or not. Given today's news, the no votes would still have the majority. (Remember, someone else noted that an agent that doesn't bother to vote counts as a NO vote.)

 

[IORFA]

No votes, just aren't counted. Either way. To pass it needs to be 50% +1 of those that vote. No vote, equals doesn't matter. You are confusing the old rules with the new rules.

 

[usa1]

The US Airways side of the merger would probably go 85%-15% for the union.

 

[Kev3188]

No votes, just aren't counted. Either way. To pass it needs to be 50% +1 of those that vote. No vote, equals doesn't matter.

You beat me to it...

That said, the percentage of people actually participating in this election was pathetic.

 

[700UW]

McCaskill-Bond addresses seniority issues in a merger where there are two separate represented groups. In an AA-US merger, the gate/ticket agents are 1 represented, 1 not represented. M-B does not apply. Other labor law might require a representation vote among the merged US and AA agents to determine if the work group has union representation or not. Given today's news, the no votes would still have the majority. (Remember, someone else noted that an agent that doesn't bother to vote counts as a NO vote.)

Wrong,

MB also applies to union and non-union, read the law.

 

[usa1]

Wrong,

MB also applies to union and non-union, read the law.

700 are you saying that if the larger group is non union, the smaller union group lose representation after a merger, per MB? Or just instructs how to integrate seniority.

 

[usa1]

[font=lucida grande']From CWA President Larry Cohen on AA election;[/font]

Amazing that 150 votes separates 15 years of work. Amazing that these leaders will never give up. Amazing work led by Sandy rusher for 16 years. This is the best we can be and I could not be prouder of our union.

It is very likely that we are weeks from a merger announcement with US Airways where CWA and Teamsters represent 6000 agents. If there is a merger the groups should combine. We expect neutrality if US Airways mgmt is in control and then the AA agents would easily have their/our union.

This last year has been one outrage after another and we must never forget. One year delay of election 2000 jobs cut, pay and benefits cut. AA cash in bankruptcy goes from $4 billion to $9 billion. The worst our nation can be. But we never gave up and never will.

In Solidarity
Larry

Velvet Grandinette Hawthorne.... we are still looking into the whole process and the rules under the NMB for mergers are still murky in a run-off, just know that we will let everyone know what is going on as we find out. It is way to early to give answers and speculation is not really the best way to handle this right now. I know we all want answers, all I can say is whatever we have to face if we merge, we can do so much if we stand together and know we are way way better off with a voice then without one.

 

[usa1]

[font=Helvetica Neue']Meanwhile, one group of American Airlines workers, its passenger services employees, has voted not to become part of the Communications Workers of America,[/font]Bloomberg reports[font=Helvetica Neue']. [/font]"The result means American will have one fewer union to deal with as it completes bankruptcy restructuring,either independently or through a merger," Bloomberg says.

http://www.bizjourna...merger-the.html

 

[700UW]

Once again MB has NOTHING to do with union representation after a merger, it only deals with seniority, read my post where I posted the NMB representation manual, it clearly states what happens.

 

[robbedagain]

the result if the merger does happen the group without the union will be the first out the door in any station closing

 

[FWAAA]

Larry Cohen is either an idiot or a liar. Or maybe he's both:

This last year has been one outrage after another and we must never forget. One year delay of election 2000 jobs cut, pay and benefits cut. AA cash in bankruptcy goes from $4 billion to $9 billion. The worst our nation can be. But we never gave up and never will.

No, AA's unrestricted cash balance has decreased by about $100 million since it filed for Ch 11 in November, 2011. The cash balance increaesed some early last year and in recent months has decreased, as expected. $9 billion? Nope. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, Larry.

Looks Larry Cohen needs to read the financial statements. They're easy to find. I'm sure he's angry that he made all those promises about how well-off the agents would be if they voted to organize and now, after spending all that money, he can't deliver on any of those promises.

 

[usa1]

Larry Cohen is either an idiot or a liar. Or maybe he's both:



No, AA's unrestricted cash balance has decreased by about $100 million since it filed for Ch 11 in November, 2011. The cash balance increaesed some early last year and in recent months has decreased, as expected. $9 billion? Nope. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, Larry.

Looks Larry Cohen needs to read the financial statements. They're easy to find. I'm sure he's angry that he made all those promises about how well-off the agents would be if they voted to organize and now, after spending all that money, he can't deliver on any of those promises.

He will if we merge?

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

Incredibly stupid.

And there isnt a no vote option, you either vote yes, the non-votes are counted as a no.

As a union guy, you view this as stupid, because if you didn't, you would in your own way be passing judgement on your union.

While your view and opinion are valid, there are other employees at other airlines who are not represented by a union who do BETTER than unionized employees at AA. Many at AA are not happy with their management team, but for those same employees, their unions are a close second in recieveing their displeasure.

Only time will tell whether they made the right decision.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757