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AMR Bankruptcy Update: Docket # 3084 Debtors [proposed] Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law

Eagle *IS* a separate entity, Buck. Different contracts altogether, thus separate motions.

The only motions for abrogation I've seen cover the 9 contracts with AA's unions (APA, APFA, Jim Little and the Seven Dwarfs).

If Eagle is negotiating with ALPA, AFA, and TWU, then it's possibly outside of the S1113 process, and there is no formal deadline as there is for AA's unions.
 
American Eagle
On Monday, June 4, 2012 TWU negotiators for each of the four Eagle groups and their advisors resumed negotiations at Flagship University. There was good progress with the company this week, as the negotiators continued to work towards consensual deals that will preserve essential terms of the current contracts.
The Fleet and AMT groups have provided the company with some ideas on how to reach the financial ask, and are awaiting full-text language for approval. Negotiations sessions for these groups will continue on June 25, 2012.
The Dispatch and Ground School Instructors have also continued to meet with the company, seeking ways to meet the company's financial ask while protecting our members. TWU Economist John Donnelly continued to meet with the company regarding certain valuation issues, which he continues to analyze in conjunction with the numerous responses to TWU document requests. The Dispatch group will resume meetings with the company on Monday June 11, 2012. The GSI group expects to resume negotiations on June 18, 2012.

Eagle's plan
The $75 million in employee-related costs targeted at American Eagle represent about 13 percent of the airline's total labor costs, Garton said. Eagle has 13,500 employees.
Eagle is asking its 3,000 pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, for $43 million in cost cuts, the most of any labor group.
The airline proposed cutting captains' flight-hour pay rate by 5 percent, eliminating one week of vacation and cutting the company's 401(k) contribution. It also wants to negotiate pay rates for pilots to fly larger 60- to 76-seat regional jets. Eagle now flies 47 regional jets with over 70 seats but cannot fly more because of restrictions in the American Airlines pilots contract.
Tony Gutierrez, the Eagle chairman of the pilots union's master executive council, told pilots that the union will analyze the cost-cutting proposals and look at alternative savings ideas.
"Following this analysis, ALPA will begin negotiations with the intent to negotiate a consensual deal with management that is workable from both sides of the table that provides management with justifiable cost savings while protecting the quality of life for all Eagle Pilots and its ability to recruit new pilots," Gutierrez said in a statement.
Eagle and American Airlines are still working to define how much regional flying Eagle will feed to American, Garton said. American executives have said they want more domestic routes flown by regional carriers like Republic Airways or SkyWest Airlines, in addition to more routes with Eagle.
Although AMR has considered divesting Eagle in the past, Garton said the current business plan is to restructure Eagle to be financially strong. He added that the plan is based on feeding only American Airlines and not trying to win new regional business from other airlines.
"Depending upon how big of a chunk of that flying Eagle has, we may be the same size, we could be bigger, we could be smaller," Garton said. "I think it's really too early to answer how big Eagle will be."
American Eagle's 1,800 flight attendants are being asked to cut $9.2 million with wage freezes and scheduling changes.
"Not only did we take a step back, we're time-traveling back to the 1980s on what they want from us now," said Robert Barrow, president of Eagle's Association of Flight Attendants master executive council, adding that the cost cuts were greater than expected.
"They are asking for provisions that are not even cost savings."
For example, Barrow said, if he were a flight attendant on a multisegment flight from Mexico with a three-hour layover at Dallas/Fort Worth, he could be asked to fly another quick trip over his lunch break.
Eagle is asking to keep flight attendants' pay frozen at their current seniority-based scale in the first year of a proposed eight-year contract. Pay increases of 1.5 percent are offered in the third and fourth year of the contract. Eagle also wants to eliminate flight attendants' personal days and one week of their vacation.
The Transport Workers Union, which represents 3,500 mechanics, ground workers and flight instructors at American Eagle, is being asked for $12 million in concessions but was upbeat after meeting with Eagle executives Wednesday.
"The one thing I am pleasantly optimistic about is they have a somewhat viable plan as opposed to what I saw at American Airlines," Little said. "One of the parallel tracks is to stay under AMR and work as a wholly owned group, and the other part of the plan is to go independent and look at a self-run company and being very competitive."

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/03/21/3827148/american-eagle-looks-to-cut-600.html#storylink=cpy​
 
Pardon my ignorance on not wanting to find this for myself, but did Eagle file for abrogation? I don't recall seeing either way.
I looked and I can't find any motion to abrogate the Eagle agreements.
 
they await the results of the AA side but yes Term Sheets have been issued across the board but the formal filing has not happened to date. It is opportunistic at best and motivated not so much by need but greed. If we can take it we will they opine.
 
But be honest, the Chap 11 process was brutal on US and its employees. The US pay rate is just now catching up to AA.

As you often point out "Pay" consists of more than just the hourly wage. US kept most of their workrules such as doubletime, Holidays, Vacation and sick time. The Week of vacation comes out to the equivelent of around 50cents and hour, so that alone puts them ahead opf us. Not sure what they pay for Medical but if they still get 10 Holidays at 2.5X that bumps their pay up by another 100 hours per year if worked, and in Line maint we typically work all the holidays. So that adds around 5% more to their "Pay" , roughly another $1.60/hr. So in three weeks their Hourly shart rate will be higher plus when you add in just the Holidays and vacation they will be making around $4300/year more than us, and they are in Mediation for a new deal. I would assume they are asking for at least as much as UAL . On top of that I think they get 7 more sick days per year than we do.

700, What is the IAM asking for?
 
Let's assume you're correct on US? How many mechanics do they have left? And is it worth losing thousands of positions so those that remain get more? In other words, do you agree with the tactic of letting more mechanics go, like at the bases, so the line mechanics can get more compensation?
 
As a line mechanic you know where he stands on that. And that is really what it has always boiled down to thus the line vs OH situation. OSMs give AA lower OH costs already and with the changes AA wants to make we will have the lowest paid line mechanics AND lose a lot of OH positions with even more OSMs added too.
Nothing good for anyone in the offer and a new lower bar for the rest of the industry to sink to.
 
The fact still remains that new aircraft are coming and there will be a maintenance holiday. Yes we should worry about losing jobs, but do not be mistaken the company, regardless of the bankruptcy outcome will layoff when there is no longer any work coming in. The company is attempting to receive FAA approval to extend the time between checks, which will extend the maintenance holiday.

To continue the downward spiral in compensation and the erosion of what is left of a benefits package that is the bane of the industry can only continue with sanction of the membership.

Some would have the membership continue to pay for the goals of the union leadership at the international, but have little or no idea what it is they are supporting.

The industrial unionists continue with a strength in numbers philosophy that has yielded nothing, political or financial for the membership.

The main focus of the "negotiations" in bankruptcy trends toward, not unionism, but who can leave the company with the most money at the cost to those remaining and the union would have those remaining, do so with the least compensation and benefits.
 
Corporate greed, RLA and BK laws are the real enemies we have. I don't care what union we have it will be tough to beat those opponents. We can save overhaul and sacrifice the line or vice versa. Either way the line will be the next target of those enemies unless we change the way we fight. If the line guys think that getting what the other airlines have is the final answer then I think they need to look ahead a few years.
A single union representing ALL AMTs that is willing to punch below the belt is the only answer. Call it whatever you want to.
 
I believe there are around 3,000 or so mechanics left at US.
 
Never said I was confident in their management, just that AA's is downright disastrous! At this point, anything that shows up with a plan is better than what the "winners" on Amon Carter are spewing. I would prefer to work for a company with a plan to thrive, not one that has a plan that will fail. That's all. If it is USAirways, fine. If it is Delta, Alaska, JetBlue or Virgin America, so be it. At this point, we are failing and all they want to do is continue "kicking the can" down the road and continue to bail the water out of the sinking ship. That sort of plan doesn't inspire confidence. They can't seem to grasp the inevitable, we will merge. AA is too small and the egos involved are too blind to admit they failed. They want to kill all the unions and put the screws to the rest of the workers so as to increase their bargaining power when any merger arrives to increase their severance. I mean at this point none of them can really think they will be kept around and continue to be employed in the future. I'm sure they do, but that isn't reality.

Again, just my opinion.

No matter who merges with USAirways or whether AA stands alone, they will end up terminating the frozen pensions.

I am sure most of you read the opening arguments at the BK hearing. Jerrold Glass is a witness going to explain to the courts how important it is to get the concessions needed so a repeat in BK won't be necessary as it was for USAirways. As I said repeatedly, JERROLD Class was the agent for the company that neogtiated ALL the labor groups concessionary contracts restructuring OUTSIDE BK and then twice in BL from 2002-2005.

I see now that he is a witness for AA and is also advising. For us, HE was the problem. And he still navigates for USAirways merger with America West for the past 7 years and still can't get the job done.. He will advises AA to abrogate, and terminate, and then proceed to help with a merger with USAirways, IMO, the worst managment in the system.

http://www.twubkfact...w8k=&tabid=1494
 
They have to freeze them before you can get your wish to have them terminated. You might want to pay more attention. Why do you wish everyone to be as miserable as yourself?
 
No they dont have to freeze them before they can be terminated, Pilots, FAs, Maintenance and related we had our pensions terminated in chapter 11 at US, they were never frozen.
 
I know that, but thanks. Teddy talks like they are already frozen and she can't wait for them to be terminated like hers. She can't stand someone to have a better situation than hers. She comes across as VERY disgruntled.
 
They have to freeze them before you can get your wish to have them terminated. You might want to pay more attention. Why do you wish everyone to be as miserable as yourself?

I would never wish for AA pensions to be terminated. I hope all of labor who have DP can at the very least keep them frozen.

I think that to negotiate keeping them frozen can only happen with AA managment.

USAirways labor had their pensions terminated in both BK. I can tell you as sure as I sit here in my perch, that USAirways will not allow to maintain frozen defined pension plans. Their labor doesn't have it, and if they get their hands on AA labor, they won't have it either.

This is why I fee compelled to write out about this hostile merge issue with your managment. I'm afraid that if AA finds no way out of this hostile delimma with U, they will give in and then U will be providing the term sheets to AA managment to terminate pensions and in exchange they will give them parachutes out.

That's how low down U managment is. They will banter that it wasn't them who termianted them but the old AA managment who will take the blame.
 

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