AMT compensation

[Duke787]

Cant have separate Contracts, same class and craft determined by the NMB.

Tech services has seperate contracts, are they not considered the same class and craft?

 

[odie01]

Nobody has ever said that OH isn't skilled, or doesn't do outstanding work. With AA flying over 600 aircraft EVERYDAY, the line AMTs must have some skills, and line mechs don't care if OH works weekends. (bankers hours for OH will NOT be a strike issue)

Seperate contracts...so OH can use their skills to get their 5 day work week......

How about this solution for the OH vs. Line debate.

Outsource overhaul and let the 7500+title 1 and 2 mechanics bid by seniority system wide.
Those of you complaining about overhaul on Airline Forum will have to slide over to Career builders .com . I can't speak for TUL, but at AFW, most of the mechanics I work with have at least 20+ years, that includes machinists, welders, and facilities. Overhaul was here when we all hired in, and I think it's foolish to even consider separate contracts or outsourcing OH. No more wedges in contracts!

 

[iluvaa]

tul avg at least 20+ the low guys have 14yrs

 

[700UW]

Tech services has seperate contracts, are they not considered the same class and craft?

If they have their own contract, they are not in the same class and craft.

For example at US one CBA is Mechanics, Stock Clerks and Utility. The Maintenance Training Specialists, are a separate class and craft and have their own CBA.

 

[paul1]

How about this solution for the OH vs. Line debate.

Outsource overhaul and let the 7500+title 1 and 2 mechanics bid by seniority system wide.
Those of you complaining about overhaul on Airline Forum will have to slide over to Career builders .com . I can't speak for TUL, but at AFW, most of the mechanics I work with have at least 20+ years, that includes machinists, welders, and facilities. Overhaul was here when we all hired in, and I think it's foolish to even consider separate contracts or outsourcing OH. No more wedges in contracts!

well with the great shortage of A&P's, and all the great and better jobs out there, according to some, it should not be a problem .


wonder how many guys would actually leave TULE ? at AFW I see those guys moving on, because most are transfered from other line stations

 

[Tex-Mech]

If they have their own contract, they are not in the same class and craft.

For example at US one CBA is Mechanics, Stock Clerks and Utility. The Maintenance Training Specialists, are a separate class and craft and have their own CBA.

They have been determined to be part of the craft and class for NMB purposes, but have still been given a separate contract.

 

[700UW]

It depends on the certification, read the beginning of the CBA and it will tell you how it was certified.

 

[Bob Owens]

It depends on the certification, read the beginning of the CBA and it will tell you how it was certified.

Class and Craft is for representational purposes. A class and craft as defined by the NMB can structure their contracts however they like. They could have seperate or they could even mix them across class and crafts but when it comes to choosing a bargaining unit, even if they have seperate contracts, a class and craft can only act as one. We have members of the M&R class and Craft under the Fleet Service agreement, same class and craft, different contract, same with Tech Services, same class and craft, different contract. Stores inclusion in the same contract does not make them part of the class and craft as far as the NMB goes, it just makes them part of the contract. If there was a vote for a new union at USAIR the maint trainers would be included as part of the class and craft the Stock Clerks would not. At least thats my understanding of how it works.

 

[paul1]

First off I dont recall a base premium in the TA. The $1.95 was line pay for Title II



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Bob this is from the current twu proposal article 4 pg9 this is where I get the idea bases are getting a premium also section 2

(1) An employee, while regularly assigned to the classification of Inspector, Crew Chief – Aviation Maintenance Technician, Technical Crew Chief – Aviation Maintenance Technician, Aviation Maintenance Technician, Crew Chief Plant Maintenance Mechanic, Technical Crew Chief – Plant Maintenance Mechanic, and Plant Maintenance Mechanic at the field stations, including Kansas City (MCIE) and Tulsa (TULE) Line Maintenance operations, will receive a Line Premium of two dollars and fifty-five cents ($2.55) per hour.
(2) An employee, while regularly assigned to the classification of Inspector, Crew Chief – Aviation Maintenance Technician, Technical Crew Chief – Aviation Maintenance Technician, Aviation Maintenance Technician, Crew Chief Plant Maintenance Mechanic, Technical Crew Chief – Plant Maintenance Mechanic, and Plant Maintenance Mechanic at Maintenance Bases, will receive a Base Premium of two dollars ($2.00) per hour.
(3) All employees not receiving a premium as provided in 4c(1) and 4c(2) will receive a Base/Line Premium of one dollar twenty cents ($1.20) per hour.



also from pg10 bases get a weekend shift premiun

(6) An employee assigned to the Maintenance Bases who works a regular scheduled shift, which includes a Saturday and/or Sunday, as defined in Article 3(i)(2), will receive a weekend Premium of fifty-five cents ($.55) per hour, in addition to the Base premium.

 

[paul1]

part one talks about line and part two I think includes eveyonre at the base and if nothing else part 3 includes everybody not in part 1 and 2

 

[odie01]

well with the great shortage of A&P's, and all the great and better jobs out there, according to some, it should not be a problem .


wonder how many guys would actually leave TULE ? at AFW I see those guys moving on, because most are transfered from other line stations

Really?
I'll bet their are thousands of title 1 and title 2 mechanics in overhaul that have 20+ years with the company, in their mid to late forties, that would rather stay with AA than start over in seniority somewhere else. This is why you are waisting you time with the line versus OH debate, unless the company does away with OH, the union, whether it be twu, AMP, Teamsters, or dog catchers, will not separate the contracts because the majority is in OH.

Like I said earlier, You hired into this company with OH and most likely you will retire with OH.
AA keeps the work in house, not because it cares about you and I, but because we do quality work stateside, minutes away from our hubs, and its controlled by AA not foreign contractors.

 

[1AA]

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(6) An employee assigned to the Maintenance Bases who works a regular scheduled shift, which includes a Saturday and/or Sunday, as defined in Article 3(i)(2), will receive a weekend Premium of fifty-five cents ($.55) per hour, in addition to the Base premium.
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I read somewhere that the company is now calling the line stations Maintenance Bases or tried too on the last T/A. If this is true then we should all get Weekend Premiums. This all needs to be sorted out but with the TWU at the helm it most likely will not.

 

[Duke787]

How about this solution for the OH vs. Line debate.

Outsource overhaul and let the 7500+title 1 and 2 mechanics bid by seniority system wide.
Those of you complaining about overhaul on Airline Forum will have to slide over to Career builders .com . I can't speak for TUL, but at AFW, most of the mechanics I work with have at least 20+ years, that includes machinists, welders, and facilities. Overhaul was here when we all hired in, and I think it's foolish to even consider separate contracts or outsourcing OH. No more wedges in contracts!

If AA does away with OH I'll start a thread for ORD where you can get house in the Chicago area with a good school district. I don't think you'll be able to touch anything with more then a 1/4 acre of land and be within an hour of the airport for anything less then $400k.

Your seniority only worries half the line mechs. remember just because you work at OH, doesn't mean you have more seniority then all the line station mechs. The senioity lists for each station and system is in Jetnet.

Remember on Christmas everybody brings something in to work for X-mas dinner.

 

[Duke787]

Really?
I'll bet their are thousands of title 1 and title 2 mechanics in overhaul that have 20+ years with the company, in their mid to late forties, that would rather stay with AA than start over in seniority somewhere else. This is why you are waisting you time with the line versus OH debate, unless the company does away with OH, the union, whether it be twu, AMP, Teamsters, or dog catchers, will not separate the contracts because the majority is in OH.

Like I said earlier, You hired into this company with OH and most likely you will retire with OH.
AA keeps the work in house, not because it cares about you and I, but because we do quality work stateside, minutes away from our hubs, and its controlled by AA not foreign contractors.

There is no doubt that AA OH is second to none, just because I want to have a seperate contract from OH like the tech guys have from us, doesn't mean I'm having a line - vs - OH debate, we have different jobs and different concerns. I think it be simpler for OH mechs to negotiate OH concerns and line to negotiate line concerns.

If a mech in his 40s or 50s wants to move his family to a line station more power to him, but to think you are just going to commute to and from TUL will be a mistake, based on the load factors AA currently has. Plus I wouldn't want to be away from my family 3 to 4 days a week, best case scenario.

 

[Duke787]

First off I dont recall a base premium in the TA. The $1.95 was line pay for Title II
The TA would have put chart at $28.44 for 2011, the new table position tops out at $30.88

Also MRT is $1.50, shift 0.83 max and longevity is at 0.95 max after 20 years.
So the all in for a guy on midnights on the line and the highest cost city would be $43.96, For a line mechanic on days in a low cost city $40.38 and for a guy on the base $39.83. The TA would have put the base guys at $32.44 , we are looking for $39.83, $7.39 more. TA would have put Day shift line in a low (or high)cost city at $35.99 , we are looking for $40.38 ($41.63), or $4.39 ($5.64)more. Nights would see a bigger increase with the differentail and MRT adding on another $2.33

So you are correct in that the base isnt being sold out by the line but the guys working nights on the line would make out the best, which is as it should be.

Here is the link from from the TWU negotiation web site. So everyone can read the TWU proposal for themselfs.

http://aa.twu.org/Uploads/File/MR%20Articles/(Union%20Version)%20Mechanic%20and%20Related%20Article%204.4.pdf