Anyone Iam M&r.....

[usairways_vote_NO]

See once again a non-IAM member and non-IAM rep and non-IAM negotiating committee member is posting falsehoods once again.

The IAM's final offer of 1/5/05 provided leeway to the company on outsourcing certain plane types and shops.

So I suggest since you know nothing of what the IAM Negotiating Committee proposed to the company, you should refrain from posting on subject matters that you have no idea about.

[post="247752"][/post]​

Once again someone who claims himself in the know jumps in here claiming everyone else knows nothing and calls them liars yet gives no proof anything he says is true and he hides behind his keyboard like the true coward he truly is.

AHH the proverbial IAM final offer that no one knows about except you and a few others hidden by the very union that sold its members down the road so powerful a document it has to be hidden so as to use as a secret weapon in the future.!!!

And since you who was a member of the IAM Negotiating Committee refuse to talk and the few other who claim to have seen this invisible IAM proposal won't either we should just take it on faith and close this topic and the IAM members should forget they have been screwed over by their leaders and everything should be swept under carpet and forgot about so the IAM can collect their dues and go on their merry way!!

 

[delldude]

a few others hidden by the very union that sold its members down the road

if i remember dude...the members sold themselves down the road dude.....
like dude by 61%....
copy that dude........without any recomendation dude,we voted this peice of crap in...



the final rejected offer had some top secret stuff that if i told you i'd have to kill you so lets leave it at that.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

if i remember dude...the members sold themselves down the road dude.....
like dude by 61%....
copy that dude........without any recomendation dude,we voted this peice of crap in...
the final rejected offer had some top secret stuff that if i told you i'd have to kill you so lets leave it at that.

[post="247782"][/post]​

No leadership will cause that

 

[delldude]

No leadership will cause that

[post="247786"][/post]​

dual edge sword.
no membership =no leadership=no need to lead

 

[mweiss]

It appears that 700 has already given us all the information that we need to know:

• The company filed the 1113 motion sometime just after Thanksgiving.
• The IAM was behind the 8-ball in negotiations, in part because the company was in a position to run the clock out.
• The IAM had an 11th-hour proposal that met the company's demands, but didn't save the company as much as the final offer. It was a Hail Mary shot at the buzzer.
• The company held all of the high cards at that point. The IAM offer was late and saved less, and the IAM was unable to sufficiently prove bad faith.

Game over. The IAM got outmaneuvered.

Thus, the existence of the IAM's 1/5 offer is irrelevant. It may have been good, but it was late and inferior (from the creditors' perspective) to the company's final offer.

 

[700UW]

The creditors had nothing to do with approval or disapproval of the offer during the negotiation process.

I have explained it numerous times, the only time the creditors even get a look at a contract is when a motion is filed in court to approve a contract between a union and the compnay.

Can you understand that?

 

[amt4u]

[juSt got an email from UMECH ( wich got canned by the moderators for no reason) ONE copy of the proposal is being found in LL 1976 , st louis??., now we got a problem, how to get it to PHL.

 

[delldude]

[juSt got an email from UMECH ( wich got canned by the moderators for no reason) ONE copy of the proposal is being found in LL 1976 , st louis??., now we got a problem, how to get it to PHL.

[post="247851"][/post]​

dude...ll1976 is PIT.

 

[tug_slug]

Game over. The IAM got outmaneuvered.

[post="247813"][/post]​

Michael,
Do you even have a dog in this fight?
You got what you wanted and that's a cheap ticket.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that peoples lives have been all but destroyed by this company(including my own)?

Personally I believe that every US Air employee has a right to come onto this forum and #### about what management is doing to them. Can you imagine being 40 something having a wife, children and a mortgage knowing that its just a matter of time till your going to be out on the streets looking for a job while some low life CEO cant/wont give a dime simply because he doesnt think it would help the company.

I know exactly what these people are going thru and to be honest I couldn't take going to work under the circumstances they face on a daily basis.

U management knew they had all the Unions by the cojones they knew if they didn't get what they wanted thru negotiation they'd get it thru BK.

 

[700UW]

If you are in PHL you can contact Mr Tom Belmont of the Mechanic and Related Grievance Committee and member of the Negotiating Committee and he will gladly show it to you.

This is only about the 20th time I have informed any IAM member who would like to see it on how they can see it.

 

[mweiss]

The creditors had nothing to do with approval or disapproval of the offer during the negotiation process.

[post="247819"][/post]​

Of course they do. Do you think the judge is supposed to throw darts at a board?

No! The judge is legally bound to do what is best for the creditors.

Can you understand that?

 

[700UW]

How many times do I have to tell you the samething over and over?

The judge only rules on a motion to abrogate or not, or approve a contract that the company and the union agree to or one that a union ratifies.

The judge is not involved in the negotiating process. The judge does not force a company to take an offer from any union.

Can you understand that?

 

[mweiss]

Do you even have a dog in this fight?

You got what you wanted and that's a cheap ticket.

Um, no. I didn't get what I wanted.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that peoples lives have been all but destroyed by this company(including my own)?

What makes you think I don't? I'm looking backward and trying to figure out how you got where you are. 700UW kept proclaiming his innocence, so I was trying to see to what degree he doth protest too much.

Personally I believe that every US Air employee has a right to come onto this forum and #### about what management is doing to them.

No argument there. As long as the mods say it's OK, they have a right to come in and say whatever they want. And I also agree that they've dealt with a lot of ugliness of late.

 

[700UW]

Here is the 1113 c abrogation code, show me where it says the creditors or the judge are involved in the daily negotiations or can force the company to accept a formal offer from a union.

Companies that request abrogation of the labor agreement but it must meet the following nine (9) distinct requirements:

1. The debtor in possession must have made a proposal to the union.
2. The proposal must be based upon the most complete and reliable information available at the time of the proposal.
3. The modification must be necessary to permit reorganization.
4. The modification must provide that all affected parties be treated fairly and equitably.
5. The debtor must provide the union with such relevant information as is necessary to evaluate the proposal.
6. The debtor must have met with the collective bargaining representative at the reasonable times subsequent to making the proposal.
7. The debtor must have negotiated with the union concerning the proposal in good faith.
8. The union must have refused to accept the proposal with good cause.
9. The balance of the equities must clearly favor rejection of the agreement.

 

[A320 Driver]

What the heck is all the bickering about. IT"S DONE for God's sake!

Move on.

A320 Driver B)