APA personnel....please confirm or deny

[Man of the People]

I was speaking to a pilot today who informed me the billboard in DFW that showed the 230,000 plus cancellations and delays last year was forced at the threat of a lawsuit to be removed because the company did not give permission to use its name. Can anyone with any insight substantiate this?

 

[WingNaPrayer]

It's like saying the media gets permission each and every time it uses AA, the logo, or American Airlines, not to mention featuring AA jets in all of it's aviation stories whether AA is part of the story or not.

There is some type of implied consent there, I'm just too tired to look it up right now.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

It's like saying the media gets permission each and every time it uses AA, the logo, or American Airlines, not to mention featuring AA jets in all of it's aviation stories whether AA is part of the story or not.

There is some type of implied consent there, I'm just too tired to look it up right now.

I don't think this is quite the same as when a local TV station runs an aviation story and uses an AA jet in the background. If I was running the company and a group of my employees pulled this BS I would do everything in my power to make their life even more miserable. On the other hand I understand the greed of pilots for more money and being antagonistic / militant is thier choice. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[iluvaa]

I don't think this is quite the same as when a local TV station runs an aviation story and uses an AA jet in the background. If I was running the company and a group of my employees pulled this BS I would do everything in my power to make their life even more miserable. On the other hand I understand the greed of pilots for more money and being antagonistic / militant is thier choice. I guess desperate times call for desperate measure
some of you people are so transparent, when management wants and gets more money thats there right. But when the workers want and demand more money we are greedy. I agree the company is not in very good finance shape but if they can keep there wages inflated like they do, then they need to pony up what they took from us or lets all just go to the house, because im not going to keep giving and not recieving.

 

[Skymess]

I don't think this is quite the same as when a local TV station runs an aviation story and uses an AA jet in the background. If I was running the company and a group of my employees pulled this BS I would do everything in my power to make their life even more miserable. On the other hand I understand the greed of pilots for more money and being antagonistic / militant is thier choice. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

Even if they were forced to take it down the damage has been done. I'm sure the FF's and the media has duly noted what our own pilots have to say. Factual information is hard to stomach sometimes, especially when it's scary.

Do I think it was a smart move on the pilot's part? No. Not when you still want to work somewhere and expect people to fly on you. Why would people want pilots paid more if the planes are still broken?

 

[WingNaPrayer]

I don't think this is quite the same as when a local TV station runs an aviation story and uses an AA jet in the background. If I was running the company and a group of my employees pulled this BS I would do everything in my power to make their life even more miserable. On the other hand I understand the greed of pilots for more money and being antagonistic / militant is thier choice. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

It IS the same. The media ran the same story, they ran others about delays, they ran even more about the cancellations. Each and every time they showed the AA logo, used AA planes and the American Airlines name as well as AMR.

Implied consent. It is hard to get around when you are a conglomerate. You let one use it, you are deemed to have blanketed all use.

The billboard was not positive use, nor did they use logo or name. They used two capital "A" letters. The media stories were not positive by any means either and they used the full boat.

Chances are the pilot's union only rented it for 10 days and it had to come down when it was over. We'll probably never know.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Chances are the pilot's union only rented it for 10 days and it had to come down when it was over. We'll probably never know.

It could be that the APA staff employees had it rented for the next 10 days so it had to come down.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Word has it AA bought the billboard company and now owns the billboard. They removed the Pilots message and will put up yet another worthless slogan of pull together we win you lose

 

[Skymess]

Word has it AA bought the billboard company and now owns the billboard. They removed the Pilots message and will put up yet another worthless slogan of pull together we win you lose

yeah, another Pull My Finger Smell Together campaign.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Regardless of who owns/rents/whatever with a billboard, what the pilot's union did was not only uncalled for, it was flat out childish.

You don't bite the hand that feeds you, even if you aren't happy with the amount that hand is feeding you.

I see the pilot's union got the federal mediator they wanted, for all the good it will do them right now, but maybe now that they have a
babysitter, they'll knock off all the kiddie games and act like professionals.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Regardless of who owns/rents/whatever with a billboard, what the pilot's union did was not only uncalled for, it was flat out childish.

You don't bite the hand that feeds you, even if you aren't happy with the amount that hand is feeding you.

I see the pilot's union got the federal mediator they wanted, for all the good it will do them right now, but maybe now that they have a
babysitter, they'll knock off all the kiddie games and act like professionals.

The truth hurts then do something about it.

AA's answer to the BB will be to do more with less
or business as usual.

its contract time expect more of the same from all workgroups.
The company continues to cry the blues yet rewards themselves.

Whaa Whaa Whaa

😛

 

[Bob Owens]

Do I think it was a smart move on the pilot's part? No. Not when you still want to work somewhere and expect people to fly on you. Why would people want pilots paid more if the planes are still broken?

I dissagree.
Pilots negotiate with management, who in theory work for the stockholders.

Management has not been willing to come to a fair deal.

Management has not done a very good job at running the company either, they squandered the concessions and goodwill of the workforce by stuffing millions in bonuses in their pockets. The ad is really targeted towards stockholders and creditors who may see the animosity created by this management team as a threat to their investments.

Maybe if management feels that their jobs are at risk they may be more willing to negotiate, or maybe a new team would realize that in order to provide good service in a service industry you need happy employees.

 

[Bob Owens]

You don't bite the hand that feeds you, even if you aren't happy with the amount that hand is feeding you.

Maybe that holds true for dogs. But you wont see a lion tamer starving his lions before he expects them to do tricks for him, they may decide to eat him instead.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

True, yes. However, as someone such as myself who is about as pro labor as they come, it is hard for me to say it, but the pilots need to knock this crap off and act professional (by that I mean their union who is acting in their names). Chasing away business or making the business they have question the safety, reliability, or even credibility of your employer doesn't help your cause. Even if your employer capitulates and pays up, how long can it last with no buisness because you've chased a goodly percentage of it away? What is the pilot's union expecting to do, ruin AA to get their way and then if they do, take out new billboards that say "We didn't mean it, please come back"?

They aren't the only union negotiating plus, the non represented groups have taken all the cuts they can and if AMR goes shopping in their paychecks to find what the pilots, mechanics or flight attendants want, that is when, this time around, the real hell begins!

 

[WingNaPrayer]

The ad is really targeted towards stockholders and creditors who may see the animosity created by this management team as a threat to their investments.

They know, believe me, they know. Pension fund management companies have millions of retiree's pensions invested in AMR and they have lost more than 75% of their respective pension's funds by betting on Arpey & Co. It's too late to get out and unless this stock recovers in a large way, these retirees invested in airlines are about to find out that they have less to retire on than they thought.

I'm also betting that Gendell isn't dancing on any tables either, and the FL group is laughing out their ass.