April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Bill Brasky]

Just as I posted, we're on LOA93 because of guys like Bill - so dumb he thinks he's brilliant. Way to go Bill.

I'd rather perceive myself ignorant than know that I'm a lying fool, like you are, you faker.

 

[Pi brat]

Did you read the part about this is US Airways problem and it needs to be finished BEFORE the APA merger?

It will not be a three way.

Did you read the part where the APA lawyer says that the APA will inherit this if it is not finished?

Do you think the APA want the liability? No way.

I'm sure they want it done, but can it be? We are 6 years into this with no resolution and no willingness of either side to back down. The first DJ is not done yet, how long with your new one take?

 

[Pi brat]

A debtor lawyer seems to think its ripe right now. But seeing how Bill Brasky doesn't think it is (stupid lawyer and all) I guess we'll have to wait.

My tax attorney thinks it isn't. Did you catch the part where the judge said this had been going on for 13 years? Maybe he hasn't read all the documents on it.

"MR. MACLAY: Well, Your Honor, I'm a bankruptcy
9 attorney, so I'm not directly involved in the Arizona
10 action. I don't have any quibble with the general concept
11 that if things are ripe and if the legal issues are
12 appropriate it should move forward, but I'm not in a
13 position to make any representations one way or the other at
14 this time.
15 THE COURT: All right. But there were a lot of
16 caveats in that.
17 (Laugher)
18 THE COURT: I don't know what you -- what's the
19 ripeness question? Certainly there is a live dispute about
20 seniority as a result of that merger. I would think after
21 13 years I guess one would think it's ripe for decision. Is
22 that a question about whether the Ninth Circuit still has
23 some pending issues in front of it or what's -- if you can
24 tell me what the thinking is on the ripeness question."

 

[nevergiveup]

Just as I posted, we're on LOA93 because of guys like Bill - so dumb he thinks he's brilliant. Way to go Bill.

When were you ever on LOA 93?

 

[Black Swan]

Did you read the part about this is US Airways problem and it needs to be finished BEFORE the APA merger?

It will not be a three way.

Did you read the part where the APA lawyer says that the APA will inherit this if it is not finished?

Do you think the APA want the liability? No way.

The APA is not in any way shape or form inheriting any of this. Exactly as USAPA was not bound to use the predecessors seniority arbitration. In fact the reason the Nicolau Award is not binding is completely due to the fact the USAirways pilots changed bargaining agents prior to a JCBA memorializing the Nic. USAPA is not bound to the predecessor agents seniority proposal at all. The APA is absolutely not involved at all.
You can spin this all day, but everyone knows the Nic is NOT in place almost six yrs later for a reason. And that means it is neither final or binding.
Clear, you love to talk LOA 93. Why is that award instantly binding, yet the Nic is not?
Simple answer. The 93 award is arbitration is between a employer and an employee. The Nic arbitration is an internal union arbitration never implemented, arbitrated under the auspices of predecessor agent that was removed. It is that simple.

 

[cactusboy53]

Come on now Dave, enough is enough your own group is fed up with you, the support is gone people just want to move on. It's over son. The boys and I would like to get together with your group for a little party we can all use our screen names as name tags, it should be fun.

While you're at it, keep thinking all of that as well. There will be a party, to be sure. it will most assuredly be fun.

CB

 

[EastUS1]

There will be a party, to be sure. it will most assuredly be fun.

Cool. When's it scheduled for, and who's providing food and refreshments? 🙂

 

[nevergiveup]

While you're at it, keep thinking all of that as well. There will be a party, to be sure. it will most assuredly be fun.

CB

The west had a big one back in 2006, and the hangover is still there.

 

[Bill Brasky]

The west had a big one back in 2006, and the hangover is still there.

I'll bet they wish they had saved the money to pay legal bills.....

 

[Metroyet]

The APA is not in any way shape or form inheriting any of this. Exactly as USAPA was not bound to use the predecessors seniority arbitration. In fact the reason the Nicolau Award is not binding is completely due to the fact the USAirways pilots changed bargaining agents prior to a JCBA memorializing the Nic. USAPA is not bound to the predecessor agents seniority proposal at all. The APA is absolutely not involved at all.
You can spin this all day, but everyone knows the Nic is NOT in place almost six yrs later for a reason. And that means it is neither final or binding.
Clear, you love to talk LOA 93. Why is that award instantly binding, yet the Nic is not?
Simple answer. The 93 award is arbitration is between a employer and an employee. The Nic arbitration is an internal union arbitration never implemented, arbitrated under the auspices of predecessor agent that was removed. It is that simple.

Congratulations! You've managed to get every sentence completely wrong. That's hard to do. The clear and simple fact is USAPA is bound to every single agreement ALPA was. If you want to change something in any agreement the union needs an LUP. They are required by law to have an LUP and fulfill their DFR to all members. The Attorney for the APA is 100% correct. I cannot believe how willfully obtuse some can be. These are undisputed facts. USAPA has no LUP and has COMPLETELY and AGGRESSIVELY failed in their DFR to the West. Everybody knows USAPA is just a cover for what amounts to little more than organized crime. Can anyone think of any Union for any work group in any Industry EVER that costs so much, done nothing, and have spent their entire existance in Court trying to convince the World they're legitimate? Not to mention the Billion dollar price tag that has come with it. $$$BILLION DOLLARS$$$$

Gone.

Poof.

Adios.

Never to be seen again. Ever.

If there is a bigger failure than USAPA, I'm not aware of it.

 

[Portly Dorman]

It's worth repeating.....

1 MR. MACLAY: Well, that's actually what all
2parties have agreed to in the MOU, Your Honor.

3 THE COURT: No, that's what American and US
4Airways has agreed to. Until there's a merger I understand
5US Airways is its own separate airline the last time I
6checked, and I would imagine integration issues are things
7that it tries to resolve in the ordinary course of business
8in consultation with its union. Am I missing something
9about tha

Your Fake union got Creamed in NY. This is the end game.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Congratulations! You've managed to get every sentence completely wrong. That's hard to do. The clear and simple fact is USAPA is bound to every single agreement ALPA was. If you want to change something in any agreement the union needs an LUP. They are required by law to have an LUP and fulfill their DFR to all members. The Attorney for the APA is 100% correct. I cannot believe how willfully obtuse some can be. These are undisputed facts. USAPA has no LUP and has COMPLETELY and AGGRESSIVELY failed in their DFR to the West. Everybody knows USAPA is just a cover for what amounts to little more than organized crime. Can anyone think of any Union for any work group in any Industry EVER that costs so much, done nothing, and have spent their entire existance in Court trying to convince the World they're legitimate? Not to mention the Billion dollar price tag that has come with it. $$$BILLION DOLLARS$$$$

Gone.

Poof.

Adios.

Never to be seen again. Ever.

If there is a bigger failure than USAPA, I'm not aware of it.

Nope. Wrong on all counts. The lawyer himself admitted in that exchange that he didn't have all the information, but said that if it was ripe it should be ruled upon, which would have been exactly what USAPA wanted to happen. If it was as simple as what you say, this would have been over years ago. There isn't even a legal definition of LUP, but USAPA has plenty of them. USAPA has represented us in a superior manner. You'd better hope they continue to do so throughout this merger.

You know what would make me angry? Having to work weekends and still being a First Officer after being on the property for 5 years.

Oh, and I finally figured out what "dire wolf" means. "dire" must mean stupid and gullible.

 

[Bill Brasky]

It's worth repeating.....

You keep making USAPA's point that there is no combined contract, exactly as the Judge said, but by all means, keep making USAPA's case for them. It really does make you look even dumber than usual, though. It was stupid to say it once, but REALLY STUPID to do it a second time.

 

[Portly Dorman]

You keep making USAPA's point that there is no combined contract, exactly as the Judge said, but by all means, keep making USAPA's case for them. It really does make you look even dumber than usual, though. It was stupid to say it once, but REALLY STUPID to do it a second time.

The judge considers US Airways one company (1 list). He understands the previous merger needs to be completed before the US/AA merger starts. Usapa can continue to delay, file in the wrong court and send a BK attorney to seniority case, boneheads. Shouldn't poindexter at least been on the call? Judge was real impressed that those that filed the case didn't even bother to show up in person. Made some points with this judge....

 

[Metroyet]

Nope. Wrong on all counts. The lawyer himself admitted in that exchange that he didn't have all the information, but said that if it was ripe it should be ruled upon, which would have been exactly what USAPA wanted to happen. If it was as simple as what you say, this would have been over years ago. There isn't even a legal definition of LUP, but USAPA has plenty of them. USAPA has represented us in a superior manner. You'd better hope they continue to do so throughout this merger.

You know what would make me angry? Having to work weekends and still being a First Officer after being on the property for 5 years.

Oh, and I finally figured out what "dire wolf" means. "dire" must mean stupid and gullible.

It would have been over years ago if the 9th understood the kind of entity USAPA is. They warned them. USAPA ignored it. That's why, after all this time, a dozen lawyers need to convene in a BK Judges courtroom and discuss this BS that should have ended a long time ago. Wake thought it was ripe, Silver Thought it was Ripe, Lane thinks it's Ripe, Every attorney in the room thinks it's ripe, (except ustupid's) and the dissenting Judge at the 9th thought it was ripe.

Oh, and you claim USAPA want's this matter adjudicated in a timely manner? GMAFB. HAAAAAAA!!!!!