April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

Something about running out of ideas, airspeed and altitude all at the same time.

That's all they got.

More musings from the PHX regional base.

That 2007 lottery ticket, still trying to claim it?

http://arizonalottery.com/NowWhat.html

 

[nic4us]

It's easier to prove that they did try to negotiate than didn't. Had they been able to get 150/hr for FOs, it probably would have passed!

Not for usapa and/or the east pilot group.

It is easy to prove, read the latest court filings.

There is a 5 year history, video and all, of the east intentionally forcing separate ops, no problem, that was your right within the TA.

The problem is uscaba can't help you do it without failing it's DFR, and there is a 5 year history of uscaba intentionally seeking separate ops, dropping West grievances while pursuing east causes...fuel school, LOA93, and othe USAToday ads all add up to GUILTY.

 

[nic4us]

There is no need now to "rush" anything, or enable expedited decisions. Anywhere. (But didn't USAPA ask the 9th for expedited service recently? I am asking)

The POR is growing closer and closer, and all these distractions will soon be behind us. It’s actually kind of relaxing, despite the threats and intimidation thrown about here and by Marty in PHX. Watching the back pay grow, and watching the NIC and all its grotesqueness fade completely away.

Thank goodness the West Class understood the need to move on to a completely new SLI process. And good on USAPA for using the opportunity to get EVERYONE better working conditions and pay. Breaking an 8 year integration log jam, and getting everyone a pay raise. Sounds like a legitimate union purpose, were one even

needed.

Greeter

Electricjet pretty much covered everything except...the MOU defines how the SLI process will work to merge the LCC pilots with the AMR pilots....it is not a roadmap to merge east and West.


Say hello to the Nic, much the poorer for your troubles, and about to lose even more through the merger.

I got a suggestion for the ad hoc committee....put the money in escrow til the court rules it belongs to the West.

 

[snapthis]

More musings from the PHX regional base.

That 2007 lottery ticket, still trying to claim it?

http://arizonalottery.com/NowWhat.html

I think that ticket was divided up 1800 ways after the acquisition.

 

[end_of_alpa]

That is a lie.

We'll find out in a few years after AwFOL has lost, and then the senior guys sue Harper for malpractice and AOL for extortion.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Jamie-

More crew room whispers and just bad info. The donations run through the entire list with big givers both at the top and bottom. The folks at the bottom of the list have everything to lose if the DOH dream works and the guys at the top who retire in the next 3-4 years have no dog in the fight. Having said that some of the largest donors are the 'grey hairs' much like the 'grey hairs' on the east that chose to fore go the pay increase via contract to support the DOH jihad. That $50-60k for each year would be nice once age 65 hits, but as of right now that's money left in Doug's pocket.

Go back to extorting your own pilots who aren't RTBs.

So you have you're guys at the top sacrificing and we have ours. They know what's at stake.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Well, you got to ask or it will not happen.

So, please explain why uscaba would not want to make it uncontested and speed up the process.

The company has already stated it's interest of a quick resolution and not contesting the transfer. What is it that uscaba fears that they would oppose the transfer?

Don't bother answering, we all know what the scab game plan is, and by contesting the transfer, they prove our point. Intentional delay and refusal to negotiate a JCBA is a failure of a unions DFR. Particularly when that delay is for the purpose of favoring one subsection of the group at the expense of another.

Yeah. Scab, huh. APA shows up to all the invitations to BPR meetings and joint publications. You'll know soon enough what they think about you.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Says the guy who quit the union he helped create and couldn't vote on the MOU.

Real men of genius.

So? What have you ever done but ride your old mans coat tails?

 

[nycbusdriver]

You see, this is how we on the west view usapa. How else can you explain why the senior east pilots have put up with LOA93 for six unnecessary years? They should have shut down the angry fo club over there but I guess your intimidation factor is daunting.

You do realize that it was your angry fo club that started this whole mess, right? As a matter of fact I believe you are one of those scabs.

How about our angry captains' club on the east (with guys like me who are senior to all of you with or without Nicolau) which knows the Nicolau list is simply unfair to our colleagues who sacrificed more than you weenies could ever know to keep this airline alive?

We supported the "angry first officers" because we share their righteous anger. (And there are a WHOLE LOT of us.)

 

[traderjake]

So? What have you ever done but ride your old mans coat tails?

What have you done other than cost each of us tens of thousands of dollars, weeks of time off we'll never get back, and made us the laughingstock of the industry?

 

[Claxon]

I think that ticket was divided up 1800 ways after the acquisition.

That USAPA/Brother shredder works fine but I had no idea how small the confetti was.

 

[luvthe9]

What have you done other than cost each of us tens of thousands of dollars, weeks of time off we'll never get back, and made us the laughingstock of the industry?

Other way around Danny boy you and your group of idiots cost the rest of this pilot group through your weakness, all of CLT knows it, 3 to 1. You and your Munn group are the "laughingstock of the industry"

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Electricjet pretty much covered everything except...the MOU defines how the SLI process will work to merge the LCC pilots with the AMR pilots....it is not a roadmap to merge east and West.

I got a suggestion for the ad hoc committee....put the money in escrow til the court rules it belongs to the West.

I agree, the MOU has nothing to do with merging East and West. It was not a joint contract. No combined list East and West. No bidding out of PHX. No ripeness.

As to the ad hoc suggestion, that does not even make sense.

Greeter

 

[luvthe9]

Just saw the letter about how our union boys and girls are really raking in the dough at our expense, absolutely disgusting, I would not mind t so much if they got us a good deal and not another bankruptcy MOU...... Name

 

[dca319]

That's why it's not a joke. AwFOL (Angry West First Officer of Leonidas) is a concerted effort by junior pilots out west to extort from senior pilots money to advance their minority cause. Looking forward to the First Captain that says he won't pay another nickel to you and he sues your organization for loss pf pay and extortion.

I don't understand why you throw stones Jamie considering we're 1000x worse. Between the threats of physical violence (which I've personally experienced) for not towing the line to the giant sucking sound our group makes when pulling money out of my wallet for investigations that go no where, we have no room to criticize. And being call an infection by the west is not surprising considering we can't even stand each other. So save it because the hypocrisy you show makes us look even worse.