April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nycbusdriver]

It would seem that the company has come to the end of their patience also.



The company want this case settled.
The west wants this case settled.
AMR wants this case settled.
The UCC wants this case settled.

Who is the odd man out in this little drama? Why?

Well, if your case is so damn strong, why not just withdraw the lawsuit and let USAPA do its thing? In less than a year, it will be ripe, you can sue again to your hearts' content and just think of all those damages you will collect.

You morons keep on and on about how strong your position is, then put up, or shut up.

What are you afraid of?

You say USAPA loses every time they go to court. Then, give it the big test and wait until the thing is obviously ripe.

The fact is, the only entity holding anything up is the spartan weenies and dire wolves of PHX, i.e. the AWA AFO club. Keep your damn lawyer out of court until the JCBA is signed, and then give it hell.

Scared? Of course you are. The only tactic you have is to throw obstacles in the way of the inevitable.

 

[FL430]

Saying it must be addressed before the integration in the merger is NOT the same as before the merger itself.

The merger will occur.

The SLI will be done by MOU guidance. About 24 months.

Nothing requires a list before the AA merger. Also, Judge Silver clearly states USAPA is free to provide any list it deems appropriate.

And these are all bankruptcy attorneys also; they have no clue about labor law.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

The fact is, the only entity holding anything up is the spartan weenies and dire wolves of PHX, i.e. the AWA AFO club. Keep your damn lawyer out of court until the JCBA is signed, and then give it hell.

NYC,

Actually nobody’s actions are holding anything up. The POR soon approaches and all current questions will be moot. Any Judge in AZ, and especially Judge Silver is not going to "assign" a seniority list to the East and West pilots of USAPA.

This is all noise. All the BK court cares about is that everyone live up to their agreement in signing the MOU. If any party waivers , the BK court will be there to squash or postpone any litigation that could in any way delay the merger and AMR's exit from BK. Judge Lane is well aware that it is tabula rasa after the POR as far as seniority problems. I doubt he could give a wit about what list or proposal any party presents after the POR. His work will be done on the BK exit.

Greeter

 

[Claxon]

Well, if your case is so damn strong, why not just withdraw the lawsuit and let USAPA do its thing? In less than a year, it will be ripe, you can sue again to your hearts' content and just think of all those damages you will collect.

You morons keep on and on about how strong your position is, then put up, or shut up.

What are you afraid of?

You say USAPA loses every time they go to court. Then, give it the big test and wait until the thing is obviously ripe.

The fact is, the only entity holding anything up is the spartan weenies and dire wolves of PHX, i.e. the AWA AFO club. Keep your damn lawyer out of court until the JCBA is signed, and then give it hell.

Scared? Of course you are. The only tactic you have is to throw obstacles in the way of the inevitable.

Exactly. They have no case now. Even damages look bad with their near unanimous MOU vote. They were happy with their lot in life. A raise, a stable company. No damage.
Roland Wilder will ace any RLA issues. Marty is completely out of his league.
The LUP chant means nothing. They dragged it from the Wake debacle.
Leonidas is in full retreat. Harper is out of ideas. The end of the Nicolau has been assured.

 

[mrbreeze]

Well, if your case is so damn strong, why not just withdraw the lawsuit and let USAPA do its thing? In less than a year, it will be ripe, you can sue again to your hearts' content and just think of all those damages you will collect.

You morons keep on and on about how strong your position is, then put up, or shut up.

What are you afraid of?

You say USAPA loses every time they go to court. Then, give it the big test and wait until the thing is obviously ripe.

The fact is, the only entity holding anything up is the spartan weenies and dire wolves of PHX, i.e. the AWA AFO club. Keep your damn lawyer out of court until the JCBA is signed, and then give it hell.

Scared? Of course you are. The only tactic you have is to throw obstacles in the way of the inevitable.

this is the best post EVER presented to this board.
breeze

 

[cleardirect]

Exactly. They have no case now. Even damages look bad with their near unanimous MOU vote. They were happy with their lot in life. A raise, a stable company. No damage.
Roland Wilder will ace any RLA issues. Marty is completely out of his league.
The LUP chant means nothing. They dragged it from the Wake debacle.
Leonidas is in full retreat. Harper is out of ideas. The end of the Nicolau has been assured.

Better strap on your helmet to contain your half wit brain when you see what is coming. Your head is going to explode.

But you keep deluding yourself a little longer. Ir will be fun to watch the melt down.

BTW Wilder is not even listed as a lawyer on this case. He is not going to be much help.

 

[cleardirect]

Well, if your case is so damn strong, why not just withdraw the lawsuit and let USAPA do its thing? In less than a year, it will be ripe, you can sue again to your hearts' content and just think of all those damages you will collect.

You morons keep on and on about how strong your position is, then put up, or shut up.

What are you afraid of?

You say USAPA loses every time they go to court. Then, give it the big test and wait until the thing is obviously ripe.

The fact is, the only entity holding anything up is the spartan weenies and dire wolves of PHX, i.e. the AWA AFO club. Keep your damn lawyer out of court until the JCBA is signed, and then give it hell.

Scared? Of course you are. The only tactic you have is to throw obstacles in the way of the inevitable.

"if your case is so damn strong, why not just withdraw the lawsuit"

That is about the most messed up logic I have ever heard.

"You morons keep on and on about how strong your position is, then put up, or shut up.

What are you afraid of? "


Umm what? We are putting up. We filed the law suit. We are not afraid of anything. It is the west that wants a court to decide NOW! Not a years from now like you want. What are you afraid of that you want to wait? Let's get this case done.

The company wants it done.
The UCC wants it done.
The APA wants it done.
AMR wants it done
Judge Silver wants it done.
The west wants it done.

Who is missing from that list? The guys that want to wait another year.

How about you keep your lawyer out of court. Oh that's right they were in the wrong court filed against the wrong party and were kicked out of court. Come on out to AZ court and settle this once and for all as AMR said expedited.

It is usapa that is throwing obstacles not the west. Read the Jones letter. The company points that out. It is usapa that asked for a delay in the AZ case.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

To those of you reading the rants on this website at your leisure, please remember that the highest court in the land upheld the "not ripe" verdict of the Ninth Circuit, almost 4 years ago. And next month will mark 8 years since the announcement of the AAA/AWA merger.

Nothing has changed, other than the West Class understanding it was finally time to move on, and ratifying the MOU.

The tick tick tick clock keeps us all moving towards the POR while accumulating back pay, and the promise of a better lifestyle and increased retirement contributions. That combined with a process that will finally settle all seniority issues is reason to sit back and relax. All is well.

Ignore the noise. This will soon all pass.

Greeter

 

[mrbreeze]

"if your case is so damn strong, why not just withdraw the lawsuit"

That is about the most messed up logic I have ever heard.

"You morons keep on and on about how strong your position is, then put up, or shut up.

What are you afraid of? "


Umm what? We are putting up. We filed the law suit. We are not afraid of anything. It is the west that wants a court to decide NOW! Not a years from now like you want. What are you afraid of that you want to wait? Let's get this case done.

The company wants it done.
The UCC wants it done.
The APA wants it done.
AMR wants it done
Judge Silver wants it done.
The west wants it done.

Who is missing from that list? The guys that want to wait another year.

How about you keep your lawyer out of court. Oh that's right they were in the wrong court filed against the wrong party and were kicked out of court. Come on out to AZ court and settle this once and for all as AMR said expedited.

It is usapa that is throwing obstacles not the west. Read the Jones letter. The company points that out. It is usapa that asked for a delay in the AZ case.

Cmon, Sheldon,

Aren't you tired of having the smoking monkey blow smoke in your face yet?

Your theories will not pass the test.

Basically, it's similar to the home made mashed potatoes I made for dinner tonight.

It takes potatoes, milk, salt, pepper, and butter to make them right.

What do you think is the largest ingredient?

Potatoes, of course make the recipe work out the best.

It's the same way the court will see it.....what makes the best recipe.....2/3 of the SLI favors DOH, longevity, or some form instead of the NIC. This doesn't even take into account what the AA pilots add to the mix. (LUP?)

You are claiming that if you just add more salt than potatoes the recipe is right. The court will taste your BS and laugh.

Sorry Clear, but you're gonna lose this one.

(well, had to edit my last statement......I am not sorry, Clear......you and your greedy cohorts have cost all pilots lots of income because of your greedy dream of a cashing in your lottery ticket and screwing your fellow pilot)

So, once again.....piss off, you junior puke.



breeze

 

[Res Judicata]

That was stupid, or arrogant, or both (most likely)

That sums up the daily activity of your fake union perfectly.

 

[Pi brat]

The company wants it done.
The UCC wants it done.
The APA wants it done.
AMR wants it done
Judge Silver wants it done.
The west wants it done.

You just keep running your mouth but can't answer a few simple questions. Run along.

 

[Pi brat]

That sums up the daily activity of your fake union perfectly.

Actually the fake union would be AOL. Acting like one, but with no rights, and according to your attorney's, no responsibilities.

 

[cactusboy53]

To those of you reading the rants on this website at your leisure, please remember that the highest court in the land upheld the "not ripe" verdict of the Ninth Circuit, almost 4 years ago. And next month will mark 8 years since the announcement of the AAA/AWA merger.

Nothing has changed, other than the West Class understanding it was finally time to move on, and ratifying the MOU.

The tick tick tick clock keeps us all moving towards the POR while accumulating back pay, and the promise of a better lifestyle and increased retirement contributions. That combined with a process that will finally settle all seniority issues is reason to sit back and relax. All is well.

Ignore the noise. This will soon all pass.

Greeter

WG;
I see where there were filings for the Supreme Court, BUT as I recall the case was simply not heard (on a side note, I believe they chose to hear a case involving Howard Stern). So, the "highest court in the land" simply chose to not hear the case (which is quite common in our legal system), and thus rendered no opinion as to ripeness or merit.

If I am incorrect, please feel free to post the Supreme Court's transcripts supporting USAPA's position.

The MOU was a Hobson's Choice (IMHO): participate & reap the financial benefit on a set schedule. It was (according to USAPA's atty) neutral with respect to the seniority integration between AWA & AAA.

You are correct, this will finally be finished sooner rather than later. The transcripts from last week indicate that our seniority "dispute" must be completed before we set out to do the seniority integration with American.

Regards,
CB

 

[cleardirect]

I think it could clarify Silver's ruling.

The last DJ took what, almost a year, to get to the first hearing? What does Silver's docket look like now? Perhaps a ruling from the 9th would help frame the latest DJ. What harm does expediting it do? If you don't think we would get an answer we like with ripeness gone, why not go along with expediting it?

How long do you see this DJ taking from start to finish?

What was the best outcome that you could hope for from the ninth on the company DJ?

The ninth ruled and denied usapa's request. So what does it matter now? The appeal was not going to settle the question. The AZ case will. The NY case was not going to settle the question. Yet that is where usapa wanted it to go to die and block the question.

Good thing usapa got your a$$ handed to you in NY.

BTW does your lawyer own a calender?

 

[Pi brat]

What was the best outcome that you could hope for from the ninth on the company DJ?

The ninth ruled and denied usapa's request. So what does it matter now? The appeal was not going to settle the question. The AZ case will. The NY case was not going to settle the question. Yet that is where usapa wanted it to go to die and block the question.

Good thing usapa got your a$$ handed to you in NY.

BTW does your lawyer own a calender?

I don't know, what is a calender?

Again, what can it hurt to have the case expedited in SFO? You can't answer a question, can you? Marty probably just got to charge more by opposing it.

It got it xxx handed to it huh? So I guess your latest request will be granted, that what you are saying? Pat has been busy with you guys, I guess we will here what the court says. Bets?

You see any problems with this statement from Hail Marty?






"Strong Policy Favoring
Decisions on the Merits
Ordinarily, the policy favoring a decision on
the merits weighs against entering a
default judgment. But it hardly
does so here due to the unusual posture of this matter.
Unlike most matters, there already is a decision on the merits. Were it not for the Ninth
Circuits concerns on ripeness (not merits), that decision would stand a
nd there would be an injunction on the merits. Four
years later, Judge Silver found no basis to
question the merits underlying that injunction.
This Court should find, therefor
e, that there is ample basis to predict that a
decision on the merits would result in the requested relief.
Consequently, the policy favoring a decision on
the merits would not be offended by
entering default judgment here.